Monday, April 14, 2008

147-167 blog question for period 2

Considering Winston's own childhood story how do children in 1984 compare with children in other books we've read? Also explain your poster you made in class and explain its significance.

20 comments:

alyssas said...

I can see a strong connection between the children of 1984 and those of F451. In both novels, children don't know what true love is and are brainwashed to turn their parents in if they go against the government- by reading books in F451 and by committing thought crime in 1984. The children in 1984 also connect to the kids in LOF. They become very savage as they stayed on the island, similar to the way the kids in 1984 are very emotionless.
My group's poster showed a picture of Godstein in the center and around it had a saying the opposite of the Big Brother saying. It was very similar to that of the one in 1984, but is intended for Proles or others who are against the government.

caitlina said...

I agree with Alyssa about how the children are taught to turn in their parents for going against the party (1984), and for being in possesion of a book. (451) I also think that the kids were never really taught love. There never seemed to be love within the families of 451, and the kids become very cruel in 1984, and turned their own parents in. This doesn't show love.
Our Group's poster today depicted the people of the Party, and of the city giving up chocolate to Big Brother, who was watching them with his eye. The wording was, Sacrifice for Big Brother! Give up your chocolate! IT was meant to show glory in giving up the chocolate, and doing what everyone else was doing.

amyw said...

Kids in 1984 are a lot like the kids in Fahrenheit 451. They all seem to be violent and inconsiderate. Also, they don't really know what love is. They don't have any real concept of what a family is. They seem detached from their parents almost. And they don't seem to know about any emotions other than anger.
My group's poster had a picture of Big Brother surrounded by many people holding chocolate in the air. It said "Sacrifice for Big Brother! Give Up Your Chocolate!" It was basically meant to show that since Big Brother has done so much for you to create a "good" country, the least you can do is give up such a small thing as chocolate. It has a bandwagon feel to it, because it was like everyone else is doing this, so you should too.

josed said...

To me, all the children we've read about so far are the same except for individual exceptions: they are greedy, bloody, and impressionable. I definitely think they don't know the meaning of love. Honestly, it's as if we're looking at clones of the kids from the previous books.

KatherineM said...

The kids in 1984, F451, and Lord of the Flies are vicious and out of control. There were disagreements between father and so in The Chosen, but those disagreements are incredibly tame compared to the children in the other books we've read.
I was in a group with Caitlin and Amy, and I think they pretty much covered the significance of our poster already.

chelseas said...

The children in 1984 are very similar to the kids in Fahrenheit 451 as well as Lord of the Flies. They are all very brutal, and are trying to be on the side of the government (well, not so much helping the government in LOF). I agree with everyone else-the kids are brutal, and have never been taught love. They are willing to help the govenment by turning thier parents in. I agree with Amy that the kids don't have any true concept of what a family really is. The children in these books think that it is fun to spy on people, and enjoy turning in their parents, if it means helping the government. They are all truly corrupt, and have been brainwashed.

In our group, we drew people in the city giving up chocolate, before Big Brother. Big Brother had his back to them, as if to show that he was more powerful, and they should look up to him. Big Brother was looking into a window, where his eye as reflected. The saying was, "Sacrafice to Big Brother! Give Up Your Chocolate!". We showed all of the people saying, "All Hail!". This showed that everyone enjoyed giving up chocolate to help the government, and that you should help out by contributing your ration just because everyone else was (bandwagon appeal).

nilec said...

I see a connectoin between the kids in 1984 and the other books we've read in class. The kids in 1984 alomg with the kids in F451 are very brainwashed and would even turn their own parents in for crimes. Our groups poster took the slogan that big brother used:War is peace, Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, and we turned it against him. We changed it to: War is slavery, Freedom is strength, and Ignorance is weakness.

nilec said...

I see a connectoin between the kids in 1984 and the other books we've read in class. The kids in 1984 alomg with the kids in F451 are very brainwashed and would even turn their own parents in for crimes. Our groups poster took the slogan that big brother used:War is peace, Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, and we turned it against him. We changed it to: War is slavery, Freedom is strength, and Ignorance is weakness.

Louiseb said...

I also agree with alyssa, I can see a strong connection between the kids in 1984 in F451. In both the kids seem to have more power than the parents. The children in 1984 also connect to the kids in LOFBecause they bothe refer to sub-human like behavior.
My group's poster talked about how big brother is stopping everyone from being equal. Because he is watching everyone, he is able to contro,l their actions. Untill big brother is silenced equality will not even be an option.

SerenaL said...

Montag from 451 and Winston from 1984 had similar childhoods. They both were very blurry and distorted, but they had visions of their past in dreams. They also both have great care for their mothers.
Our groups poster said "Think For Yourself NOT Big Brother" In the middle we drew a brain with a red question mark in it which represents thinking for oneself and that the thoughts inside of ones brain are a mystery.

NickB said...

I would also agree that both Montag and Winston have similar memories of their childhood, which are both blurry and uncertain, and their dreams of their mothers, both scary and disturbing. Our group's poster was mostly thanks to the hard work of Phoebe artist extraordinare (with a few contributions from the other members of the group). Our poster said "Think for yourself, not Big Brother" and had a brain with a question mark inside of it in the middle. This represents the rebelling of ideas and increased individualism that the Brotherhood supports.

alexd said...

The kids in all of the books we have read scare me because they dont care about anything. They seem to have no soul and they dont act as if anything effects them. Even the adults cant handle their crazy and out of control behavior.
Our groups poster was talking about how if Big Brother is silenced them people will begin to be equal in how they are treated and what they are given.

nicolek said...

Children in 1984 compare to children in Fharenheit 451 because they children are both really violent and aren't close to their famalies. They are so accustomed to violence and the way society is, they do bad things and don't even really care. Our poster today had the opposite of the slogan Big Brother uses and has Goldstiens face on it

maddief said...

Yeah, there are a lot of similarities between the kids of 451 and LOF. In 451, kids were used to violence and enjoyed it, just as children in the Spies liked war movies and public hangings. The kids in 1984 also resort mainly to instincts that allow them to survive, such as Darwin theory and greed.

lizc said...

Considering the fact that I was not in class today I can't explain a poster, but I can answer the first question. The children seem to be much more distant from thier families, and seem to be raised by a government instead of parents. In LOF the children are raised by thier own ideals, which obviously doesn't get them very far. The kids in 451 are considered worthless by thier parents. In this book they are almost to the point of being savage in a way. Anyways, in all the books there is something definately wrong with the kids of the society.

kristenw said...

In 1984 the kids in the books are a big part because kids are the future so what they do will depict what the future will be like. But also the adults, or in 1984 the party, controls the youth so they basicaly control the future. This also occurs in F451 because if they can get rid of all the books and stop knoledge from spreading then the government can keep the future from knowing things. I'll have to answer the second question about the poster in another comment because I don't remember the quote that we put on it.

clarao said...

I agree with what most people have said about the similarities especially between the children in 1984 and those in Fahrenheit 451. In both books the children aren't really well connected with their family and their parents are mosre like acquaintences.
Our poster said equality will not be found until big brother is silenced. We had the word 'silenced' in a zipper to show that he needs to be sort of "shut off."

Javonm said...

The children in f451 1984 and lord of the flies all seem to relate to me. All the children in these books are corrupt and badly behaved in these books and are taught to or learn to turn in people that disobey no matter who the person is its corrupt all the children. Mymposter the significance ofnt was that it was like big brothers 3 sayings of war is peace, ignorance I'd strength, and freedom slavery but changed the phrases and made them all positive so its like a reversed big brother society!

Lukez said...

I think that the children in 1984 are a lot like the children in F451. They are very bratty and proned to violence towards eachother and adults. They seem to have no love for their parents and only listen to their leaders. Our poster was for the brotherhood, across the top it said, "think for yourself." On the bottom it said "not for big brother." In the middle there was a picture of a brain with a question mark in the middle. This, obviously, means that people should have their own thoughts, and they should think what they want to think.

BrianC said...

I think that the children in 1984 are much like in F451. They both seem to be more evil then their parents and act exactly how the government wants them too. For example, in F451, the children actually end up killing Clarisse and try to kill Montag. In 1984, the children are ratting out their parents for talking in their sleep and acting in a way that the government wouldn't want them too. The children tin both these books are shown as uncompassionate robots controled by the government.