Monday, October 8, 2007

Macbeth Discussion Test Period 5

Here is your chance to show me your understanding of Macbeth. Ask great questions, make sure to reference whom you are speaking to and, most of all, dazzle everyone with your wisdom!

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mattw said...

201 comments!!!!!!!! yeah guys!

jordanh said...

Going off of my earlier view on fate and free will, i heard a song on the radio today, looked up their lyrics, and thought that you guys would want to read them. they are very interesting. it shows how everything would change if we just took away one little facet or viewpoint of our lives.
Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
-John Lennon
"imagine"

maddisonm said...

Mattw i like how you connected to Pirates of the Carribean 2! That is a good point. Also it relates back to Macbeth in a way because the dagger is like the compass because the dagger almost shows Macbeth the way, and sometimes tat is not always the right way.

ashleyf said...

whitneys-on the whole mask thing, this might have gotten posted before but my computer was all weird today so anyway.....in LOF, they talked of how if faces look different in different light, so what is a face? i loved this, its what i remember most about this book. How events in life and the peopel you meet have an effect on the "mask" you wear, or take off. Everyone has friends who they say "i love my friend 'so and so', but not when they are around 'so and so'..." so are they really like they are around you, or that other person? that was what Macbeth sort of did. In war he was so heroic, then with his wife, he was a total push over. so is Macbeth heroic, or a coward? no one knows.

Melissaz-you were talking how people are not completly evil adn it brought me back to the class discussion when hannah was talkign of how Macbeth and Jack are becoming more animalistic, making them more evil. So would that mean animals are evil? really, humans are so much more evil than animals, adn peopel have said that in a sense, how peopel are generally evil. So why are they evil when they act like animals? just somethign i was thinking about today.

jordanh-LOVE the song. lyrics and artist.

with the whole fate thing-i dotn necessarily think that religion is the basis of everyone's opinion about fate. i personally am not very religous, but i sort of believe in fate. i think that some things are fate. cant name anyhting, but in some cases, fate exists. but if you want soemthing to happen for yourself, dont just believe it will happen, make it happen....NOT LIKE MACBETH THOUGH! im jsut tryign to say that if you want to for example become friends with someone, dont jsut wait for you guys to automatically be friends, go up to them and introduce yourself.....things like that, you have control over your future.

has anyone seen Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? (probably no one is goign to read this comment, but oh well!) these people have a relationship, and end up hating each other, so they get thier memories erased, so they dotn remember each other, but they end up together anyway. That kind of fate is kind of what i believe in. or if you are 3 years old and you meet someone and really hate them. then totally forget you ever hated them adn see tham again 10 years later, and end up still not liking them. its kind of like you were never meant to be friends. Whoa, fate's weird to think aobut, but really facinating.

maddisonm said...

ashleyf- fate really is a weird thing!!
Going back to Ms. Smith's idea is it someones fate to get in a car crash? Was it Ducan's fate to be killed by Macbeth? Was it Macbeth's fate to be mairried to Lady Macbeth and to meet the witches?

jordanh- I really like how you posted the song lyrics!!

jordanh said...

thanks guys. i love that song-actually i'm listening to it right now! about fate(which i've probably blogged about 5 times now0
ashleyf-yeah, ia gree that in some things you have to go out and make them happen, and your example is good, and i think that it is situations like that that make up our fate.
here is my final stance: fate is based off of our free will. that is my viewpoint, though.
madisonm-i think that car crashes and deaths are fates that are based off of our free will because it was that person's time to go. banquo['s death is fine because -the way shakespeare put it-he went to heacen, so he is in peace. obviously nobody knows when someone's going to ruthlessly slaoughter them, but that over that persons lifetime, they made choices that eventually equated to their death. that answers your marriage quesetion, too. that is free will determining lm's fate-since she got married to macbeth, everything that happened to her happened b/c of just that-she was married to Macbeth. this further prooves that fate is based off of free will
goodnite!

ParkerH said...

Since I missed the test, this is sort of my make-up test. What I noticed really quickly was that I could picture everyone talking. Like if Whitney said something, I pictured her intonation and voice style, or Tyler's voice, or anybody else. It's cool how we've come together as a class. I was laughing most of the time. I think personally that Macbeth is a very well written play that deserves recognition in society, such as any great work of art. It is important in a class about CTS to talk about what is going too far, like Macbeth murdering the king. I might as well answer the questions too.
1. If Macbeth had let life go on as it was, it would not be the same play. Duh. But I'm thinking that it wouldn't have been a tragic hero play either. There wouldn't be tragedy, like Macbeth murdering the king, and going insane. It would have been similar if Macbeth ignored the prophecy. No tragic plot, just a story about a general.
2. I think that Macbeth still would have murdered the king and the others. I have noticed that when power is involved, people go to great lengths for it. They almost have no shame or human nature left when the lust for power has overwhelmed them.
3. I doubt that Macbeth would have done the same things that he did. He was egged on by his pyscho wife. I agree with everyone that said something similar, like Jordan and Mitchs, to name a couple.
4. Banquo's benevolence affected Macbeth's conscience greatly. Duncan's murder did not effect him as much, and that is saying a lot. The Macduff family murders hardly phased him at that point. Banquo was the climax of his senselessness. Macbeth felt horrible, and this is the only ghost that Macbeth saw without the aid of the witches, then saw it later again with the witches. Macbeth was completely unafraid to murder after this point. No normal and sane person slaughters women and children, and Macbeth did. His conscience almost died along with Banquo.

I think that this was a great way to take a test. The camaraderie of the class really comes out, and everyone feels better and there isn't as much of a tension and stress to this kind of test. I would have freaked if there was a written test about all of Macbeth. And to answer some other topics, I completely believe in fate. You cannot know your full fate and there are ways to change it. There are things that are changeable, and things that aren't. I can't say what I think about this very well. Sorry. But i believe that God (Oh know I brought religion into school. AAAAAAHHHHHH. I'm challenging the system. Whatever will be done =) ) is all knowing, among other things. And just to make Mattw happy, I'll comment on him. It's a good topic that he brought up. Ignorance can be bliss. It also can be no bliss at all. If you fall of a 30 ft. cliff not knowing that it will hurt, the repercussions will not be good. It works the other way too. I'm happy with what I know about my future. Thanks everyone for some great ideas.

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