Uh-oh, I over read. Anyhoo! Here's my question: Do you think the mechanical hound actually is after Montag? Did someone put in part of his data?What does the non-living, yet living quote mean?What is the significance of the "Master Ridley" quote? Why would the woman kill herself and her books (that may sound like it came out wrong but think about it...)? Why does this affect the firemen?
Those mechanical hounds are really weird. It's stupid; it's wrong. Plus, it would be very scary.
Oh. I read ahead too...
The mechanical hounds probably represent the similtanious(that is probably not spelled right) progression and regression. of the society montag lives in. On one hand they are very technologically advanced, but on the other hand, hte kids take plesure in killing each other like in the end of Lord Of The Flies.Jose- i think that someone knows that Clarisse placed doubts about thier way of life in his mind, and wants to get rid of him, like they get rid of the books for causing controversy.Also the living not living quote probably refers to the hounds artifical life, because it is alive in the sense that it is semi-sentient, but it will never know the pleasures of real life, so it is alive but not.Why she said the Master Ridley quote was because she thought that burning the books was unnessecary, like burning the two men at Oxford.
Does anyone know where Clarisse is? Does anyone think she has been taken either to school or an asylum?
Why don't the police do anything about the children murdering the other children, and if murder is this exected in society, why does Montag find it so strange that the mechanichle hound might have been programed to kill him? I know that sounds wierd, but if murder is the norm, why is he surprised?If the government does so much to stop people from having books, aka gaining knowledge of the past, and times before technology, why do they do nothing to Clarrise and her family? Aren't they the picture of doing things without technology like they used to be?If the hound was programmed to kill him, why hasn't it yet? It kills the animals quickly and without thinking. Why does it not kill Montag like them? When it threatened him, it seemed to be having some kind of moral struggle by putting the needle in and out. Why did it not just kill him? Does it have some sort of consience or something like that?
Ryanm - I have severely read ahead, and I will not spoil it by telling you what happens to Clarisse. You just must keep reading to find that out.Beckyg - I think the police don't do anything about the murdering of other children by children simply because no one in their world knows what it's like not to kill someone or wish they themselves were dead. Going off of what Mildred does, most people in that world want to be dead, and therefore think they are doing a service to others when they kill them.I think that the only reason they are not doing anything to Clarisse and her family is because they don't quite have enough information on them yet to do anything drastic.I do not think the hound was programmed to kill Montag because, like you said, it would have already. Also, the hound's "moral struggle" seems to me as more of a way to express how the world feels as a whole rather than how the hound itself feels. Does that make sense? It was probably programmed not to kill any of the firemen, but its first instinct (if you could call it that) was to kill anything in its path; so it ended up extending the needle then retracting it. It is quite fortelling of what is to come in the book though. Does anybody else think it's wierd that the firemen Captian Beatty seems way too suspicious of Montag? Do you think that Montag's done something that we (the readers) don't know about and that Montag thinks no one knows about?
What happened to Clarrise and do you think it had anything to do with books or fires?Well, it's quite obvious that Montag is going insane...how do you think this will affect his job/life at home?Why would the captain "need" to know quotes from books? Do you think that at some point in his life he owned books?
I had the same question as Ryan M.- Where is Clarisse? Does anybody think something bad has happened to her or was she just inside or something that day?Also I noticed that Bradbury repeates a saying about the firmens' "faces were sunburnt by a thousand fires." (The first time he mentions it, it says "sunburnt by a thousand real and ten thousand imaginary fires" and the second time it says "burnt and shiny from a thousand fires and night excitements.") Does anybody have any idea why these quotes are important?
Alyssas - I think they are important because they are talking about the feeling that the men get when they're burning something. The feeling of excitement, yet remorse for destroying something.
Ok, thanks for answering my original questions katyj, now here are some more:Do you think the other firemen are a reflection of Montag?By now, the firemen and Clarisse have both connotations of reflection: but what is it's significance to the book?
The mechanical hound doesn't like Montag. Montag is becoming less and less like the other firemen. Is the mechanical hound programmed to not like firemen who aren't "real" firemen? If the society is so perfect, why is there so much war? (pg 32-33) What makes Montag different form the other firemen?
Okay guys, here are my 3 questions:1)Why does the hound have 8 legs? I thought it was a dog. Dogs have 4 legs if I remember correctly. I wonder why it is built so wierd. He also sounds vicious...2)Don't you guys think that Clarisse is trying to make Montag see the world through her eyes? Isn't she trying to make Montag enjoy the time he has on earth, and wants him to do the right thing? Also, that life is so unpredictable. Do you see what I'm trying to say??3)I do believe that when he finds that Clarisse is gone, things are getting to him more. He asked about the library guy, and he always seems lost in his own thoughts... 4)That whole conversation with Mildred and Montag really confused me. What were they talking about?
1) Why do you think that Clarisse's family is so different fromt he rest of scociety? Why are they the only ones who have memories and do things different?2) Montag feels old. Do you think it is because of all of the memories Clarisse is giving him? why?3) Why do you think Montag feels as if he's known Clarisse for so long?
1. What could be behind Montag’s “grille”? Why is he so concerned with what the firemen would think about what is hiding behind it? Could it be books? They seem to refer back to the grille more then once, so what importance may or could it play in the book? 2. How could Beatty know information on things in the past? Where did he find this information out? Is he hiding books? 3. It is interesting that the Hound does not “like” Montag. Do you think it is that someone knows something about him and feels the need to have the Hound against him? Or do you think it is just really a “glitch” in the Hound? What does this Hound tell you about the change in their society?
Here are my questions:1. What happened to Clarisse? Is it possible that she owned books and either got arrested or killed?2. Montag just stole a book from the house they were burning. Was the mechanical hound forseeing this and is it why the mechanical hound dislikes Montag.3. Why does the fire chief need to know quotes from books? Is it possible that he has/does/did own books and read them?
1) Why is there so much focus on the ventiliator grille in the hallway? When will we learn what's behind it?2) Why are Montag and Clarisse so close already? What caused this?3) What does the Mechanical Hound reveal about their society? Also, if the Hound is a dog, why does he have 8 legs instead of four?
I think that the Hound says a lot about their society, because when dogs turn into robots instead of lovable pets, that really shows that something has gone wrong. I mean, yeah there are vicious dogs out there, but when people have pets that are controlled by wires and batteries this really shows how cold and unfriendly the society has become. Could this ever happen in the future? This part of the reading really stuck out for me because it's so creepy.
1. Why is Montag allowed to have such a close relationship with Clarisse? Why does his wife not care?2. During one scene at the firehouse, a fireman mentions that a fireman in Seattle gave his Hound his exact amino acid coding. Does that mean that the Hound is a robotic human?3. Why does Montag keep the book from the fire? Why doesn't his wife notice?
1. Could the old man Montag met in the park be Clarisse's uncle, and if so, why is he just now meeting her?2. Why does the Hound growl at Montag, like technology could be evil?3. Why are the firemen surprized when the lady in the house they burn down pulls out a match?
My questions were: 1. What do you think happened to Clarisse? Did she own any books, or did she just get arrested for some stupid reason, according to their society?2. Can you really consider this society a Utopian one? In what ways is it like a utopia, and in what ways is it not? 3. How is Montag the same as other fireman, and how is he different? 4. Why does the fire chief know so much about books? Do you think that he is just a fireman so that he can cover up for his wrong-doings?
Here are my questions:1. Does the story take place in America? Do you think that the country it does take place in will actually go to war if so, why do you think there is a war?2. What significance do hands play in Fahrenheit 451 and Macbeth? Why do you think both authors keep refering back to them?3.How are Macbeth and Montag similar?
I don't understand why the hound is there. I mean it has significance in the story, but in actuality why would they make such a dangerous creature that could be so easily manipulated to kill someone? Also, what did it mean when they said the cats would have to be drowned anyway(pg 25, first paragraph)?
1. Why isn't anyone doing anything about the kids killing each other?2. I have the same question as lesliel why do you think Clarisse's family is so different than everyone else?3. What happened to Clarisse? Did she get in trouble for being different? Or maybe owning books?
1. Why is Montag so afraid of being thought of as different? Why couldn't he just not ask questions and avoid controversial subjects?2. What does the Hound do? What is it used for? What is its signifance to the story?3. Why is suicide so common in this society?4. What is the punishment for taking a book AND being a fireman?5. Do the people in other occupations fit a certain mold like the firemen do?
i know we are supposed to keep religion out of school but today, i was sitting in church, and the pastor started talking about one of the first gestures we learn ias christians was the hands in the form of a cup shape. now i thought about macbeth and montag how they blame their hands for every evil deed they commit. but this gesture of cupped hands is a recieving "good" type of hand. i was wondering if you could use your hands for good instead of evil?
1. Why wouldn't the woman whose house was burning down not leave with Montag?2. How does Montag feel "separated" from the rest of the firemen in this section?3. Now how does Montag percieve the way the book looks when it is burning. He used to think it looked beautiful. Now how does he see it differently after all that has happened since he first talked to Clarisse?4. Why is Montag so scared of being different?
allrightyyyy1. It seems to me as if Montag looks up to Clarisse, yet she is so much younger than him. Is this possible? What types of characteristics are necessary in order to have this impact?2. Did the hound affect Montag the way he does before he met Clarisse?3. Is it just one person (Clarisse) that has caused all this new thinking on Mantag's part? By new thinking I mean stealing the book, being almost afraid of the fire, and being distant with his wife.
Here are my three questions:1) On pg.26 the captain says "all those chemical balances and percentages on all of us here in the House are recorded in nthe master file downstairs." What do you think this means. Are all of them clones or something, where they CONSTRUCTED with a certain combination of things by the government or something like that? were they all just mass produced? 2) On pg.31 Clarisse says that people dont talk about anything they name alot of cars or clothes or swimming pools mostly and say how swell. So basically all they talk about is people and stuff. There is a saying that says great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, and small minds discuss people. What do you think this means, do you agree or disagree? Why?3) All through this chapter they keep mentioning guilt or montag what could he be guilty of? 4) On pg.36 the lady in the house ays " Play the man, Master Ridley; we shall this day light such a candle, by God's grace, in England, as I trust shall never be put out." we later find out on page 40 that a man named Latimer said that to a man named Nicholas Ridley as they were being burnt alive at Oxford for heresy (any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs, customs, etc) on Oct. 16, 1555. What do you think she ment by this? what point do you think she was trying to get across?
oops I mean four questions!
ryanm- That's a good point, I just had to say, that I think our hands definitally do good work, but we wouldn't "blame" our hands for doing good things, we would say that we did a wondeful thing. People tend to only blame their hands for when they do bad or things that hurt their concienses, they wouldn't blame their good deeds that make them feel good about themselves on their hands.1) If what Monta says about all of the firfighters looking the same, put that way for a reason, then what would all the teachers look like or the waitresses, or the doctors? Since the firefighters may have been "picked" for their looks, what kind of people would be picked for other jobs?2) How come the people who don't fall under the norm. are considered antisocial and considered odd to everyone else?3) Why does our society continue to get more and more violent, more and more deaths occur that could easily be stopped? What do we have to worry about in the future that Clarisse is telling us about?
Melissa and Ryan. The whole hand thing is a really cool idea. When a person does something good they try to take as much of the credit as they can and bask in the glory of finally getting something right. But when a person screws up they tend to try to spread the blame around so that they aren't as badly punished. Hands happen to be very easy things to blame because they are the extremities of the body and seem less connected and more likely to make mistakes like when your typing and "your hands" press the wrong key.
melissaz, thank you. but also i would like to say that we dont mention our hands if we perform a good deed.
ryad, thats a good point. like in Macbeth, macbeth and lady macbeth both shared the blame....or at least thought they did.
Well guys, I found this segment particularly interesting. montag seems like is on the brink of challenging the system, and clarisse is helping move this process along, but towards the end of the segment, clarisse suddenly goes missing....1. Does Clarisse's absense cause Montag to stop challenging the sytem?2. has Montag lost his innocence through Clarisse? In other words, has he realized that his modern life is actually something bad?3. How does Montag's past as a fireman affect him as a "challenger of the system"? Does this cause him to be more agressive, passive, or neither?
1) What will the repercussions be if Montag is caught with the book that he stole?2) If Montag hadn't met the girl, do you think that there is event he slightest chance that he would have stolen the book?3) What has changed the way Montag thinks so that he wants to read now? What brought on thede changes?
1.In the book Clarisse tells Montag that she is considered "anti-social" because she is just so different from everyone else.(even though today she would be considered the opposite) Does anyone else think that we could consider people "anti-social" just because they are a little bit different?2. Clarisse also tells Montag that the students aren't allowed to ask questions and that the teachers just "run the answers at you". Do you think that a lack of quality education could have lead to the fall of civilization?3. Does anyone else think that Captain Beatty could have something to do with the hound dog hating Montag?
1.Montag is a fireman, yet why does he feel such a desire to read the books that he is burning?2.Do you think that Clarisse got arrested when she doesn't show up that one morning?3. Clarisse mentions that responsibility is the reason why the kids are killing each other, why would a loss of respondsibility cause this?
Can we relate to Montag more or Clarisse more in terms of how we live?Does anyone think that it will ever get to the point where kids kill eachother just for fun?Is Montag making any of the other fireman think like Clarisse made him think?
What does the medel dog say about Bradbury's society?How does the personification of books (comparing them to birds)represent Montag's metamorphosis?Why does Montag start blaming his hands, does this begin to show his inner struggle?
1.)Why don't the hounds like Montag? How is Montag different from the other Firemen? 2.) What do you think happened to Clarisse?3.) Why would the women want to die with her books? Is this a form of challenging the system?4.) Guilt is brought up several times in this section. Happiness was brought up several times in the las section. What effect do happiness and guilt have on Montag?
Where'd Clarisse go? Has anyone noticed Montag's behavior has changed even more? He's addicted to the way he feels when he thinks of CLarisse... Kinda creepy.
johnb-i think that montag likes clarisse so much b/c he is interested in her take on life.to find out what happened to her, you must keep reading!
1) How does the mechanical hound represent security? how does it represent the society as a whole?2) how is this society more like the filling of a pail than the lighting of a fire?3) how do the connotations with fire change from the last reading to this reading?
What do people think of the lady burning herself and has she taken her CTS to far, or not?Is Clarisse gone for good and if so, what do people think happened to her?Can Montag change a system all by himself?
I think Montag just wants to get laid.
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