Wednesday, October 17, 2007

Fahrenheit Fishbowl 25-40 period 5

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phoebef said...

I think that when clarisse is talking about the school and says that she is anti-social, she means that she is different. she doesnt view the world the same way as the other students. When theyre are in school, what and how do they learn, if books are banned?

maddieh said...

Like Pheobe, I was kind of confused about the books. The fireman had rule books so I don't see how they determine if books are allowed or burned? Also, how can they read if they aren't allowed books?

macm said...
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kristinah said...

I think that certain governmental books are allowed and I think that people learn off of computers not out of books maybe.

morgant said...

phoebef- that may be true. She also may be saying that the other children may think that she is different because she doesn't view the world the way they all do.

macm said...

I agree with kristinah, internet learning would probably have progressed by now to the point where they don't need books.

jordanh said...

Maddie, in the book, they describe that only certain books are band. There is a list of them in the firehouse. I think that they're probably banned because they invoke free thought.

macm said...

So if they go in to a house, how do they know all the books they are burning are banned?

Laurenc said...

It makes me wonder what the government is really like and what is "okay" in their eyes as far as literature goes.

katyj said...

maybe in sted of books tey have like pamphlets to help them learn and to define rules. then they would not be using books but they would still knoew how to read.

Tylerg! said...

what do u tink the book that he keeps will do to him mentally, do u think that by keeping it he made himself sick and weak

maddieh said...

KristinaH/MacM- So why do they burn books? They may not need them but they could still be used and the books don't seem threatening or dangerous. I'm just confused about why they even burn books in the first place.

stephenf said...

There is a growing dependance on technology but change comes slowly to us. We don't look for change even if we want it. Humans relly on themselves but they also realy on technoloy. Some dependance is good.

jordanh said...

to hannah's question in the conversation:

The metal dog represents the potential danger of modern technology. It portrays danger and un-human technology that could be made.

kristinah said...

yeah but even in the fire they were burning books and magazines not just books

mattf said...

All books are banned.

morgant said...

I think that it is cool that when Clarisse is gone that Montag is finally kind of seeing things her way. He is questioning the way of society, and peer pressure also comes into the picture when his fellow firefighters laugh at him for asking such questions. Did anyone else notice this?g

Ryad said...

I think that they have stopped sorting through the books and they are simply burning all books because, like Jordan said, they invoke free thought.

jordanh said...

Macm- i think pretty much every book is banned. Maybe all books are banned, but there may be a few rule books or something...

kristinah said...

good idea jordanh I think it is interesting how they can change the dog to how they want it to be. It is kind of scary though because anyone could change it to attack someone specific or do anything they want.

mitchl. said...

does anyone know how the firemen can know who has banned books and who doesn't? How do they know where they are?

macm said...

That makes sense because this society is all about structure an rules.

mattf said...

Will the book that Montag takes have any influence on him?

stephenf said...

Did anyone else notice how they had a list of band books? Is it possible that there are some books that are not band? The firefighters just burn the books.

Laurenc said...

Tylerg, please don't use chatspeak. It doesn't take any more energy to just type out 'you' instead of u.

and in response to what you said, I think between the book/s Montag is keeping and Clarisse he will start to hate his job and be afraid of what he has been doing

Ryad said...

I don't agree with Becky that they are tryingn to prevent misery because of how the society is. It sounds like hundreds of people tried to kill themselves with pills. This is not a happy society.

Tylerg! said...

Bradbury did a good job predictingthe future, because when my dad read it he had never even thought of like an i-pod, but in the book they go to sleep with sea shells as the wife calls tghem in their ear, this may have been so that they don't have to think their own thoughts to go to sleep they can listen to stuff

jordanh said...

kristina-thanks. it is very scarry that technology can be manipulated to attack specific things.
are we close to that now days? i think that we are with things like computer viruses. scarry...

mitchl. said...

i think that there aren't banned books i think that people just aren't allowed to have any books at all. does anyone agree?

katyj said...

to hannahs question on what the dog represents, i think that the dog represents the similtanious progresson and regression of society. the dog is very technologically advanced, but also it is used to amuse the firefighters with death like at the colesium in ancient rome.

mitchs said...

I agree with Ryad, the reason they don't stop to look through the books to make sure they are banned is because reading books that are banned is illegal, so if they stopped and read the titles of books, that would be illegal, and then they would be breaking the law.

mattf said...

mitchl- the dog may have a "book smelling sense" that can smell out books. Or it is possible that their neighbors or friends ratted them out.

kristinah said...

Right but they are trying to kill the misery still with the pills. They dont seem to want to feel anything.

maddieh said...

Mitch- They said that the neighbor had reported the one old lady because she thought she had books in her attic. I think people mainly report eachother if they have books.

catem said...

I think that books are burned, because they could inform people about the past, and if people learn about the past, and the past could bring forth rebelion.

macm said...

ryad- the idea of what is accepable today and what is acceptable in this setting could be very different. I read this book called House of the Scorpion where opium and drugs were legal, and people were dopey every day. It was perfectly fine in that society.

Laurenc said...

maddieh - I agree with your idea about people reporting other people but why do you think they would do that? I wonder why everyone would sell out their neighbors...does it make them any happier or is it just to "pass the time"?

mattf said...

Does the society want to remove sadness and misery, are they eliminating the happiness in the society? Or does this society just represent uniformity and everybody has to stay in line?

Ryad said...

Mac yeah thats true. It seems really strange. Maybe it's accepted because books give you ideas but drugs keep you from really thinking hard about anything.

kristinah said...

Cont. on the inner circle I dont think that this society wants good necessarily they just want an easy life. The dont want to feel, they dont know the other side of society also so they dont try to change it into happiness like clarisse does. They dont know what the result will be.

maddieh said...

Cate M- I agree. I think they probally think that people can learn how to think freely from people and events in the past. Maybe they want to censor the world to take away pain. But I don't think its working because there are a LOT of people commiting suicide.

mitchs said...

Mitchl- There have to be some books that are allowed, because the firemen were reading out of a handbook about the history of firemen, but it had been government censored because Benjamin Franklin obviously didn't support burning books. I think that there are books that aren't banned, they just have to be government issued.

morgant said...

The firefighters also may be just going on impulse. I mean, yes, they get a call or whatever, but they need to get the job done quickly so they burn the house, then just get out of there. But, on thehd because they have a purpose for them. They don't want people to get ideas I guess. They don't want people to challenge the system.

jordanh said...

mitchl- The firemen know who has the banned books through tips and hints from other citizens. This is shown when the old lady's house was burned up-a neighbor gave them a tip.

tylerg- we did talk about trends and things like that, and how we develop the idea of modern. bradbury does an uncanny job of portraying what we are today, and i think that he did that through looking at human nature.

macm said...

Just to keep the people ignorant and placid--thats and interesting idea.

KekeK said...

I think that not every entire book is banned.

There would need to be some way for the government to mass communicate to the people and to record laws. I'd assume that it'd be in a book for people to reference.
And how is the youth going to learn in school without something to reference to or study?

I think the limit to the banned books is mainly only literature and not legal or educational (for the set time period).

After all, the main point of burning books is to eliminate free thought.

Tylerg! said...

i think going off of what the inner circle is saying, they are just trying to eliminate and ppl who want to think for themselves, they want everything to be all one mind, just like in a wrinkle in time

Laurenc said...

I really want to know why this society hates books so much, why would they want everyone to think the same? Did something happen in their society or is it just a big communistic world? either way it is pretty freaky

katyj said...

laurenc- i think that people turn each other in because they want the government to think well of them, and they dont want what happened to their nieghbors to happen to them.

Ryad said...

tylerg- that is an awsome book. I never made the connection but now I see it.

Tylerg! said...

jordan, but back when bradbury wrote this in the 70's, he was predicting what this wld be like, we may be entering into this time period of the future

mattw said...

ryad- hehe ya. maybe it's because if you write a book about overthrowing the government, you can let many people know, and it could harm alot of people. But if you do drugs, then you just hurt yourself. unless you DUI... stay in school kids......

morgant said...

kekek- That's exactly what I think. They don't want people getting ahead of the government. They don't want the people to go and challenge the system. It's almost like free thought isn't allowed. Or imagination for that matter...

macm said...

laurenc- I think that the roots of the society may be good, maybe they were trying to prevent another hitler or something like that, but then it ended up stifling the peoples freedom and creativity.

catem said...

How do you think that the school system works in this community? If they always just watch TV why do they even need to go school? And if so many people are getting killed, then wouldn't the society fix it?

morgant said...

I don't think society wants to be totally flawless. There will always be flaws no matter how hard we try. Not all society is good.

maddieh said...

Lauren C- I agree. I'm not sure why they burn books but I think it has to do with controlling the society by only allowing certain ideas. But every book touches on more than one idea or moral so I think they burn all the books to try and control the thoughts of the society by censoring what they allow them to know and think.

mitchs said...

Are the people in government allowed to read books? They must be able to if they knew who Benjamin Franklin is. Why would the government allow themselves to read books that they ban and make illegal for the common people to read.

mitchl. said...

when the firemen were about to burn down the house, and the lady stayed in her home, i thought that if her books were burned, then she wouldn't have anything to sharpen her mind, or give her new thoughts, so if her books were gone, she might not have had anything to live for since bradbury didn't mention a family or husband or anything else she has.

mattf said...

laurenc- I think the society hates books so much because it inspires free will and thinking. Clarrisa (or somthing like that) told Montag to think, and when he did, he thought of things he never did before. my guess is that the government wants to crush free thought and freedoms.

jordanh said...

RESPONSIBILITY
Clarisse said that she had responsibility. She talks about how the "normal" kids are killing each other. Does this remind anybody of LOF? In LOF Piggy and Simon are killed. This is because there are no adults and rules around. The adults in this book seem as irresponsible as kids, though. Clarisse talks about car smashing parks. this is a poor display of responsibility that the adults show.

Ryad said...

Matt- Exactly.I think the government in this society are trying to just keep people in the dark of all the joys in life with out making them totally miserable. It's about the whole group. Drugs usually only hurt yourself and the people you are very close to. Not the society. But can you make a society that way? It's such a fine line between ignorance and misery.

Laurenc said...

Catem - I think the government and entire society is just ignorant to the fact that their world is going to heck and just want to pretend everything is all hunky dory. This realates to what the inner circle is saying as well. Ignorance is certainly bliss for most people in this case

Tylerg! said...

ya, for some ppl it seems like when one thing dies or gets taken like wut mitch says,they just give up

mitchs said...

Catem- No, I don't think the school system works at all. Most kids don't learn much from watching videos and playing sports all day without being allowed to ask questions. They just go to school, sit in front of a TV, play sports for a while and go home. They can't learn much in that kind of environment.

catem said...

I think that perspective has a lot to do with this society. They only have been told only one perspective, and because they only have one to go off, they have to believe that one thing. Like Maddison said in the disscussion you can't challenge the system if you don't know anything else.

KekeK said...

laurenc- By getting rid of books, they can get rid of ideas that would inspire people to act out. These people have no idea that people in the past could challenge the system and I don't think they know they really can.
It keeps them ignorant and that can keep the government from worrying whether the people will act out against them.

mattw said...

catem- I dont know how to answer that, but I think I'd say cable tv doesn't teach you how to factor quadratic formulas. not even on pbs. but in school you do learn it, but not how to find out who murdered that person. I dont think society would fix anything, because they'd all turn into vigil-antes and kill those they think are wrong, but not everybody agrees, so in the end everybody would just die...

macm said...

Hey tyler, please don't use chatspeak, this is a formal discussion.

Tylerg! said...

mac, im just typing the way i wld like to, u can understand it so it doesnt matter, formal or not it is the way i type

mitchl. said...

mitchs i think that the government reads some books, and when they read them, they decide not to let other people read it, so they ban that book.

maddieh said...

Do you think its the government or society that is authorizing the burning of books? Wouldn't it make the government tyranical and against everything the our nation was founded on? Wouldn't that mean that our government failed?

Laurenc said...

but Mitchs, did you notice who they said benjamin franklin was? They said he was the first Fireman of their society. he burned the first books...that's not true at all so I think the government probably DID read a few generations back or so but now they probably don't

morgant said...

catem- That is a reeally good point. You are right. There is only one way of life they know, and they don't know anything besides book burning. That's why I think that it is cool that Montag is questioning the way of life.

DawnielleN said...

Regarding SCHOOL... I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ALL!!!!

In the book Clarisse says that in school "they just run answers at you BUNG BING BING"

How do you guys think that not being able to ask questions would affect this town. Would it make people smarter to have aswers thrown at you or the opposite?

macm said...

I was wondering, is this taking place in the united staes? Or somewhere else? Is the whoole world like this or just one country?

Ryad said...

There are some things you learn in school that you never use. But there are otherthings that you really use like the morals and things you learn from the books and discussions in school which have been cut out in this society.

Laurenc said...

Tylerg....actually it is pretty hard to understand what your trying to say when you type like that. I mean it's a free country so go ahead but just saying

morgant said...

Does anyone else think that the government is trying to manipulate the people?? I think that the government is trying to control the nation as best they can.

mitchs said...

Laurenc- I have to disagree that the government doesn't know what is going on the world. They are not ignorant, they know what's going on, but they are trying to keep the masses to take the complexity out of life, so that the people will not express their own ideas. I think that the government is perfectly happy and living a life of luxury.

catem said...

Do you think that the government is just trying to make the human race survive? Maybe they have to have no emotion so that the world doesn't destroy itself.

mattf said...

about ben franklin, the government probably just censored the history on him and may have just rewritten history for their benefit. Societies do this to support their beliefs.

katyj said...

dawnielle - i think that if we werent allowed to ask questions that we would all get a lot stupider because we could not clarify what we didnt understand.

mitchl. said...

maybe they government tried to change the history of the world, trying to make it the way that they want it to go, or there is always the possibility that another benjamin franklin existed during that time and he made a secret society that does this.

morgant said...

dawnielle- I think that if the teachers are just asking the questions, and don't give the kids a chance to answer then there really can't be a freedom of speech. It also presents a danger. Kids can interpret their answer in their own way, and who knows where that can go.

KekeK said...

catem-But what is the point in living if you can't really live?

Tylerg! said...

y do u think his wife cares tat he is sick so mch?

Laurenc said...

DawnielleN - I think about the classes I have been in where all we had to do was memorize stuff and when I try to remember things i've learned I really can't...the classes you trul y learn from are the ones you participate in and ask questions. How else will you ever truly understand anything?

Tylerg! said...

y do u think his wife cares tat he is sick so mch?

mattw said...

wouldn't it be really cool if the whole world froze and two thousand years later some advanced humans found our cities and thought that we believed TV's were magical devices that served as a connection to the gods of cable television? I read a short book like that once....

macm said...

i dont kno tyler, y r u typin like ths?

mitchs said...

Morgant- Yes, that's what I was saying, the government is manipulating the people so that they won't protest anything the government does. Just imagine how much better President Bush would feel about himself if none of the people ever complained about what he did. The government can do whatever they want because they are making sure there is no one to stop them.

KekeK said...

Seriosly tylerg, your "writing" is giving me a huge headache.

jordanh said...

Catem, that is a really good idea. te government is trying to make its people emotion-less so that they control them easily. this goes back to why books are banned-they invoke free thought.

morgant said...

Tylerg!- chatspeak is not appropriate on the blog. People are reading our work...speak in regular english please...

Ryad said...

tylerg- I don't know if is wife is really connected to the world enough to care or even really notice. Unless thats why she took the pills.

Laurenc said...

mitchs- that is probably very true what you said about the government just ignoring the situation. I think ignorance was the wrong word because i think most people are just trying to ignore it though some may be ignorant

DawnielleN said...

KatyJ- I agree I think that questions are what help you learn. I think that education is where this whole society messed up. They are teaching kids at a young age how to NOT THINK ON THEIR OWN.

mattw said...

tylerg - i dont know, but I think that it's because he is of some use to her. without him, she'd have to work to get money and what not

maddieh said...

Matt W- Thats actually a really sad thought. But it's kinda creepy because that is totally possible that it could have happened with societies we have rediscovered.

morgant said...

mitchs- Haha! You've got a point there about President Bush.

catem said...

Macm, I am pretty sure that it is the United States, because somewhere in the book I think that it said America and it was refering to the country. I think that the whole world isn't that way, because it said that the nation could go to war at any moment.

Tylerg! said...

guys, relax just go back to blogging its not that big of a deal i sometimes dont even realize im doin it so take a chill pill man

katyj said...

i dont see why using chatspeak or not matters. people are looking at the blog for content, and if someone wants to use caht speak to get thier point across let them.

Laurenc said...

mattw - that is a very funny idea!

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Ryad said...

Does it bug anyone else that the people in the government probably are educated and can think for themselves while everyone else is oblivious.

Tylerg! said...

katyj thank u, and if the wife needed him, wldnt in the future there be a pill to cure him

macm said...

dawniellen- I think that since they are not teaching childrenhow to act properly, so they are regressing back to the savage nature of humans, like in LOF when they kill eachother. In 451, this shows when clarisse talks about the "normal" people killing eachother.

KekeK said...

katyj-this is an English class, shouldn't we be writing English?

mattw said...

i disagree with becky. when I was a small little lad, I couldn't care less about anything-for more than five minutes. I think it's just a matter of your available attention span....

morgant said...

ryad- Yeah. I thought about that also! It does bug me. I mean, they have a fair chance, but are not giving the people a chance, even in the school!!

jordanh said...

It is interesting what is being talked about in the circle-i really like what hannah is talking about with sacrafices and medicine. when i first started cross country, i was very slow. of course in the world bradbury ddescribes, i could probably take a pill to run faster. but i worked really hard, and i'm satisfied now. I wouldn't get any satisfaction from a pill.

DawnielleN said...

MoranT- I totally agree that the reason the teachers may not allow kids to ask questions to prevent freedom of speech

Tylerg! said...

well macm, i dont think anyone besides clarisse cna b considered normal so it rly isn't normal ppl b/c they're all conformed

macm said...

Catem- that seems right considering they are being bombed. Thank you.

Laurenc said...

Ryad - I agree with you. I connect this situation to the people of North Korea right now. Their leader forbids them to have anything from outside their own country and makes them worship him while he indulges in all these foreign imports. It is hypocritical and stupid but yet seems to happen a lot

catem said...

Kekek~ I agree with you. There pretty much is no point in life if you can't live it. I think they are just trying to keep the human race alive, to prove we can.

morgant said...

mattw- Haha. I agree with you, but i think that the point she was trying to get across was that you don't get as much satisfaction when you just get it than when you work for it.

Tylerg! said...

kekek relax just go back to blogging, it is english just abbreviated

mitchs said...

Macm- Yeah that really confused me, the "normal kids" were the ones destroying cars and racing cars and killing each other. And then Clarisse , who would be a little weird for the world today, but much more normal than the other people in this book. How can kids killing each other all the time be normal?

mattw said...

tylerg, what does cna b mean?

macm said...

"Normal" for their society isn't "normal" for our society tyler.

Tylerg! said...

can be mattw

jordanh said...

the little arguement about tylerg's chatspeak is funny. i mean, it's tyler's grade, so he can do whatever, but i think it's funny that people are trying to control the nature of this conversation. it kind of relates to 451. people try to control try society's thoughts and opinions by burning books in 451...
funny how things can relate without even meaning to.

katyj said...

kekek- it is english it is just shortened to increase the rapidity of the conversation. there i s nothing wrong with that.

Tylerg! said...

i realize that, but clarisse is wut wld be considered normal in our society

Ryad said...

Who is supposed to run the country after the educated people die (unless they discovered how to make a pill to live forever)? Do they take people why seem different like in uglies pretties and specials (and now extras)

maddieh said...

Mitch S- I agree. Why is it normal that the kids are killing eachother and stuff? Is this happening with the adults too?

morgant said...

jordanh- that's a good point! It made me laugh!! =D

morgant said...

All of this stuff concerning kids killing kids is confusing me...

mattw said...

ryad - duh, robots... I mean if they have robot dogs, why not just make robot fish? robot trees? robot birds? robot worms? robot milk men?!?!?! insanity!!!! why live?!?!?!?!?!

Tylerg! said...

jordan, that is a wierd connection, b/c no matter wut they say im gonna type how i fell like, the way that i can type to get my point across easiest for me is to use "chatspeak"

KekeK said...

ryad- I think the educated people have other people to educate before they die just to keep it going, like an apprentice or something (Like from "The giver")

DawnielleN said...

MacM- Would people be abel to rebel like they did in LOF though?

It's almost like whatever their teachers say is 1000% right.

???

Ryad said...

jordan- i agree so much! Thats hilarious!

katyj said...

the educated people probably take a select few younger people and educates them so that they can rule after them.

mitchl. said...

jordan, i am very impressed that you can relate chatroom talk to this book very amazing.

mitchs said...

Ryad- I would guess that if there is a way to vacuum everything negative out of a person, there is a way to live forever, so I think that the educated people in government can keep their jobs forever, but if there isn't some way to live forever then maybe the government passes on their knowledge to people that they trust to succeed them (they let them read the books.)

maddieh said...

Jordan- Thats really creepy! That is really funny. I think people should just let it go because like Jordan said, you are just trying to censor him. Whether you can read it or not, it doesn't matter. Everyone is just wasting time and energy on something that doesn't matter. So seriously, let it go. That whole argument is just like trying to censor someone's actions.

morgant said...

dawnielle- That is also true. It's like when you are little, you believe anything your parent tells you. Now, it's like what the teacher says goes...

macm said...

dawniellen- Unfortunately I think the person who would have rebelled was Clarisse and shes dead. Thankfully, like the Giver she passed on some of her ideas to Montag.

Ryad said...

Mitchs- it depends we can pump somebody's stomach and clean their blood now. But we can't live forever.

jordanh said...

tylerg!- i totally agree with you, chatspeak is fine on the blog. that's what i was trying to say. sorry if i was confusing.

morgant said...

macm- Clarisse is dead?

mattw said...

a third of our comments are about tylerg... Y?

Tylerg! said...

idk really understand clarisse's death, did a car just run over her or did the gov. hire an assasain like the moffia or sometin

mitchs said...

Maddieh- I don't think the adults are killing each other too, just the kids. Clarisse talked about the kids killing each other as kind of game, something they do for fun, or a result of something they were doing for fun (racing cars,etc.)

catem said...

Ryad, that is a good question. I think that maybe everyone is kind of a ingnorant. Maybe if you show some kind of intelligence then they are selected to work in the government. But I am not really sure.

macm said...

I meant dead to the system, she has no say and shes not popular so no one would listen to her. Montag has a chance because he is an influential fireman.

jordanh said...

morgant-what's confusing you about the kids killing kids?

morgant said...

Yeah. I didn't really get Clarisse's death either. I was kind of confused...

Laurenc said...

Why are people saying Clarisse is dead?? That isn't anywhere up to page 40

Ryad said...

I agree with what Ashley said in the inner circle. We are seriously screwing up our society.

mattw said...

I saw a bag of potato chips that said a possible side effect is ANAL LEAKAGE... and it was very popular. It's like a drug that feels good but really sucks.....

katyj said...

morgant - i think that yes clarisse is dead bcuz she disappearred and this government is kind of communist, and when u disappear in a communist regime u r dead.

morgant said...

laurenc- I didn't remember reading that either, but maybe people read too far??

maddieh said...

MattW- It kinda weird because it just shows how upset people can get over little things, just like in 451. A book is a book and people do get very offended very easily. Maybe that's why they try to burn books; to censor ideas to keep people happy.

mitchs said...

Ryad- We can't remove thoughts and feelings now can we? That's also some of what they pumped out. If it is possible to remove thoughts and feelings, I think that anything is possible.

KekeK said...

omg tylerg, cnnctn

its lyke in a bk i red tht whn ppl srt to act out, the gvrnmnt klls themmmmm.

macm said...

Huh?

Tylerg! said...

wut is anal leakage mattw, id understand how tat applies 2 f451

Laurenc said...

mattw - we talk about Tyler because i had to mention the chatspeak haha...yes blame me

jordanh said...

laurenc-i agree. now part of the book is ruined for me. guys, let's keep our conversation limited to pg. 40 in 451.

maddieh said...

RyaD- What did Ashley say? I didn't quite catch it..

mattw said...

maddieh- wow youre right... it's just like the politically correct junk that spawned from democrocy... blugh...

Ryad said...

Mitch- I totally forgot that she forgot in the morning. Maybe they can live forever. That would be a really scary government.

Tylerg! said...

keke i get wut u sd, u r tryin to confuse me, but i get it and thats a good cnnction, i think i read tat book wuts it called

morgant said...

jordanh- I definitely agree.

mitchl. said...

i think that i either did not read that part or i did and i just didn't realize that clarisse is dead.

KekeK said...

in addition to my last comment: I think the book I was referring to was "1984"

I'm not sure, I don't quite remember.

also, that last comment was an open mockery of tylerg. Just so everyone gets that.

mitchs said...

Macm- Now that makes a lot more sense, Clarisse is dead to the system , but not actually dead. But does Montag have a chance? He may be a fireman, but the other firemen don't respect him at all. And one might have programmed the Hound to kill him.

Ryad said...

Ashley said that with all the pills and technology we are no longer working to achive things and the side effects are horrible and it is hurting our society.

morgant said...

kekek- Why don't we just let it go. It's not that important anymore.

Tylerg! said...

keke ur not that funny, b/c i save time tlkin like this , and im able to tlk bout the blog, u critics have posted 190 comments and 8 are about my way of typing so relax and keke i read that book

Laurenc said...

relating to something mattw said about politically correct junk...that really is getting annoying. You have to call black people African Americans or asian's Asian Americans. I mean, what makes something politically correct anyway? If i called an african american a black person i wouldn't mean if offensively at all!

katyj said...

i completely agree with morgant. JUST LET IT GO it is not a big deal.

macm said...

mitchs-Thats really interesting, I thought the dog waqs just reacting to how Montag thought differently, but if someone was trying to kill him...that would make a great plot twist.

jordanh said...

GUYS, THE CHATSPEAK ARGUEMENT IS OVER! NOBODY CAN CONTROL WHAT ANYBODY DECIDES TO DO ON A BLOG.

KekeK said...

ya know what morgant, I don't really care that much anymore, I was just having a hard time reading it.

I was mostly arguing for the sake of arguing.

catem said...

jordan, I think that people are just making guesses. I mean the Clarisse has a pretty good chance of being dead. She definitally challenged the system and I think the government would be quite glad to get rid of her.

morgant said...

laurenc- I think that that is an open minded question. I mean everybody has different ideas of how politically correct something is.

maddieh said...

RyaD- Oh okay. Thanks. And I do agree, she is totally right about that.

Laurenc said...

and yeah...just ignore tyler =)
no offense to him or anything

Tylerg! said...

ya morgant is right, its kinda like arguing bout abortion some believe its wrong while others believe its free coice, i personally believe its wrong but idk wut everybody else thinks

jordanh said...

Morgant- it is very interesting that you brought up political correcctness. i personally can't stand it, but i think that it is probably out of control in the world that bradbury depicts.

jordanh said...

thanks catem. i hope so...

Ryad said...

laurenc-Half of my family is black (oops sorry african american) and they don't care it doesnt' make a difference to them. People get way out of control with politically correct.

morgant said...

well actually, jordanh, laurenc brought it up, but I was just answering her question.

mitchl. said...

well some pills like advil help you get better and less sore if you have an injury or headache, so not all pills are bad with side effects.

catem said...

Lauren C, I agree with you. I think all the politically correct stuff is kind of nuts. I mean if we all thought it was proper to show origins I could take offense to people not calling me Irish/Scotish/American.

Laurenc said...

I agree completely Ryad. People freak out about it way too much

mattw said...

LAURENC- ya, I'm always so afraid when I'm talking to a person with a different ethnicity, I just try so hard not to offend them, /and never even thought about that in elementery school. I didnt give a crap if you were unusually tan. not until our unit on martin luther king. its good we know it happened, but if we didnt know about it, would we be prejudice at all?????????

morgant said...

ryad- I totally agree. Some people take stuff like that way too far.

macm said...

ryad-I totally agree, it's annoying to have to say caucasian, african american, etc. It almost like mocking them.

katyj said...

tyler wut does abortion have to do with f451?

mitchs said...

Laurenc- Politically correct means making sure nothing you say could be considered offensive. If you said black instead of African-American, it would probably have no effect on anyone. If you aren't politically correct, someone could take offense to what you say and that could put you in a bad spot because it would misrepresent your views.

jordanh said...

catem- good point. if americans wanted to be called politically correct name, we would be American Americans.

KekeK said...

ryad-I agree that political correctness is kind of getting out of hand. In any other country, no one really cares whether you call some one "black" or with African heritage.

Ryad said...

I personally think that if the majority of the people of that ethnicticity don't mind then it really shouldn't matter.

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