Friday, January 25, 2008

AWNM: Story Period 2

January 25th Fishbowl Live Blogging Participants
8:14-9:02* am MST
*assembly schedule
Kristin Hokanson:
Kristin is a blogger who also happens to be a Classrooms for the Future Coach as well as Teachnology Leader. She is working in King of Prussia, PA where she is committing her time and efforts to creating a constructivist learning experience for her students.

Renee Howell:
Renee is a parent of a Littleton Public Schools student as well as the Vice President of the LPS School Board.

170 comments:

Kristin Hokanson said...

Good morning everyone!
Am sitting in the library at the Science Leadership Academy in Philadelphia. Looking forward to hearing everyone's ideas about Story

josed said...

Hello!

josed said...

Ok, so...

To start, How do you think more story would affect the learning system? Would it be better or worse? Do we already have enough stories?

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lizc said...

i think that it is very important to have a story to tell when it comes to certain events. They are so full of emotion that a computer would never be able to match. It is also a great way to get information across about someone in a creative way that is much more worth listening to than just reading boring facts. It is exspecially nice to hear the story from someone themselves if it happened to them.

stefo said...

Ok so here is my idea. How important is Story in school? What kinds of stories held or hinder learning? Are classes just one big story?

Kristin Hokanson said...

Good Question josed. One of the quotes that stood out to me was how stories are easy to remember because story is HOW we remember... Wouldn't it be easier to remember information / fact if it was turned into story?

amandah said...

Jose-
I think that story would improve the learning system because stories have meaning and that can help us learn and remember things.

amyw said...

I think story is good and we don't already have enough. In fact, I think we could have more.

nicolek said...

I think that more stories in the learning system would be a good thing because it would make things easier to remember and we would see examples of how what we are learning in school have affected people's lives and then we can apply it to our own lives

lizc said...

Jose- a good example from Daniel Pink is the story about the wine bottles. He bought the one wine bottle only because it told a story and the emotions from that story compeled him to buy that wine and none other. The other bottles he was looking at just provided facts.

markg said...

I think that the best way to incorporate story in learning is just that, to teach through story. If a teacher puts up a bunch of statistics no one is going to remember it. However, if you put the same facts into a story that could be easily remembered most kids will take those facts with them for a while.

Kristin Hokanson said...

Stefo when I was in HS the best class I had...the one I remember the most from was my world cultures class because the teacher traveled and EVERYTHING we learned he related to when he had been there...storytelling for learning

alexd said...

Liz-
I agree with you completely about stories. They are things that can not merely be calculated or memorized, they are personable and unique.

stefo said...

lizc i agree with you. Personal Stories help to learn us better relate. Science is the story of how the earth was created. Math is a language with numbers. Their are word problems to help us better understand the math as well

nilec said...

Josed,
I beleive we need a good amount of stories in our curriculum in order to let students interpret their own visuals of the stories. I also think stories make learning more interesting than just lecturing.

BrianC said...

Josed-I think we already use story in the lower grades, especially in K-5. Even in higher grades we still use story. An example is in our history text book, at the beginning of each section, there is a story about and american's experience and that makes it a lot easier to remember what we read throughout that section.

josed said...

So maybe we will remember the facts better (like buying the wine bottles) if we have a story behind them? Like, I remember how to calculate volume because of a story.

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amandah said...

Stef-
I think that story is important in education. It would definitly help us to remember and comprihend things we learn in school rather than remembering facts for a short period of time and then forgetting them.

Kristin Hokanson said...

I liked that story about the wine too Liz...marketing is all about story (and design;-) It was interesting how much these concepts were interwoven in the book.

Louiseb said...

Jose- I know that I learn about people better when I know a story about them. In my history class I think that I would be able to retain more information about all of the people we learn about if the information was presented to me in a story rather than just in a textbook.

KatherineM said...

I think story affects the learning system for the better. Hearing a story that goes along with facts make the facts so much easier to remember. Also, sharing our own personal stories with other students helps us to understand each other better, have more empathy for one another, and make the classroom a more comfortable environment.

lizc said...

Kristin- I read a lot of historical fiction. Facts from several events in history have been turned into stories and because of that I am able to remember a lot of the things that I read. It helps so much when the facts are in a story. I learn so much reading historical fiction compared to learning the facts in a history class.

SerenaL said...

Story involved in learning gives a personal connection to the things you need to learn and something I can relate to, and I tend to remember that more then numbers, facts, and dates.

amyw said...

Liz---Yes, I remember the wine story. That was actually a story from Daniel Pink to us, and see, we still remember it! I think story really helps people remember things.

alexd said...

Amy-
Where do you think we need more of the story element?

Liap said...

Jose-

I think that more story would be amazing for our learning system. My Spanish teacher really helped our class remember preterit by telling us the Puchpaste story. Like Dan Pink said, humans remember stories better than just plain facts. Like if there was no story to go along with the Holocaust, would anyone remember that 6 million Jews died?

PS sorry it took so long I had some issues logging in.

nicolek said...

Also, story in our schools is very closely related to design becuase teachers choose how to deasign their classes and i think that a good design for a class would include a lot of stories, not just from the teachers but from the kids too.

amyw said...

alex---Mostly in math and science. Science this year to me seems like just a bunch of facts.

nicolek said...

Also, story in our schools is very closely related to design becuase teachers choose how to deasign their classes and i think that a good design for a class would include a lot of stories, not just from the teachers but from the kids too.

Kristin Hokanson said...

brianc great point...I taught elementary school and many things are taught with tradebooks and...stories

Javonm said...

I think that we don't currently have enough story within our school system. Sure a few classes here and there have story incorporated into their curriculum but I believe some of our other classes need to step up the amount of story though. I think that story helps us to remember specific dates ad formulas better in our classes because it utilizes our "whole" mind. It requires your analytical side to remember the date, but it remembers the date because of the story that the right brain has remembered.

stefo said...

alexd- the element of story is needed everywhere

josed said...

Ok, so we know that story helps us learn, but WHY? WHY is it better than a simple fact?

meganu said...

I think stories are very important when it comes to learning. Like the inner circle is saying, it is a lot easier for me to understand things when there is a story behind it. I had the same science class as Luke last year and I remember that experiment very well. That experiment could have been very boring but the story behind it interested me so I payed more attention and became more involved.

lizc said...

Amyw- I think that the way you learn depends so much on the teacher. The Biology teacher that I had first semester was amazing and he incorporated stories into the things that he taught my class. Now, the teacher that I have just has as copy and write down notes every day. I can definately see now how much I learned first semester compared to what I am learning now.

amandah said...

alex-
I think that story is most needed in every aspect of life, having story in life brings meaning to a lot things.

phoebef said...

josed- story helps us learn better than simple facts becuase people can connect it with emotion. Emotion is something everyone has and knows. connecting things to emotions makes it more relatable to us as humans.

Kristin Hokanson said...

jose
Story better than fact because fact is GOOGLE-ABLE

MollyS said...

Ms. Hokanson, if small children are being taught with stories, why can't high school student be as well?

amyw said...

liz---I definitely agree with you. If you like them and they teach in a compelling way, you'll learn more.

josed said...

Hmmmm.... so it's not really the story itself, it's connecting it with emotion.

lizc said...

Javon- which class do you think needs story the most? I would definately have to say History and Math. In Math you can use word problems but sometimes those things don't relate to you. History sometimes seems to be a bunch of facts with no apparant reason. They need a story that creates a reason for your learning.

Liap said...

Jose- Simple. Story is WAY more interesting than just facts. It helps us pay attenion. If someone just sat in front of you and read off fact after fact, you would probably just block them out after a while. but if they tell you WHY the fact is the fact, it is so much more interesting!

alexd said...

I think story is not only important in the workplace, it is critical. I think that the story element creates a profession that is more caring and personable than just going to work and doing work. I think that story is necessary to do your job successfully.

markg said...

Steph in the inner circle was talking about story in the work place and i think that it is needed in order to make te work place efficient. Also, i think play and story is correlated. Alot of the time the story being told is funny and makes you laugh. This means that people are coming together better and would be more productive when working with each other.

Louiseb said...

Alex D. - I think that we need a lot more story in our math and science classes. In my ERE class all we do is take notes and then put them back on paper when we have a test-we never have a story that we can connect to and in math it is really hard to incorporate a story but I think that a really good math teacher could do it and make it interesting.

nilec said...

Nicolek,
I agree that story has a lot to do with design. The way a person dresses or the way people design things as simple as a drawing can tell a life story.

chelseas said...

I think that story is everywhere, and I agree with Kristin about how most jobs with interaction have a large basis on story.

amyw said...

Jose---It has emotion and is compelling, so story appeals to people. It tugs at your heartstrings, so to speak. Not all of the time, but most of the time.

BrianC said...

I remember a quote from the book when Pink talks about prehistoric man, "He explained himself and connected to others through stories." Do you think this is how we still explain the world, through stories. Another example is all the different civilizations have different stroies to explain why they are alive and how everything came to be. Why do people look to stories to explain things they don't understand.

nicolek said...

Josed- I think that stories help us learn because as Daniel Pink said, we think in terms of story. Whenever I'm talking to someone or trying to remember something I go through a story in my head. So if teachers tell us stories with facts inside them then on a test or when we want to apply those facts we can just go through the story in our heads insted of just memorizing facts

stefo said...

Do you think that finding out a person's story sometimes is unnecessary. Like with being a lawyer or a docter that they shouldn't get emotionally involved with their clients because it could hinder how they make decisons because they can't be unbiased? What do you think?

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Javonm said...

I believe that story is a big portion of our ability to memorize. As nicolek mentioned we need to include more stories on our everydy class. If I am trying to remember an event that happend in my distant past I can remember the ones that had the most story behind them were the ones I can recall the best.

nilec said...

I agree that stories play a role in marketing. Molly and I always go to Chipotle and read the stories on the cups. Sometimes i won't even be thirsty, I just buy a drink for the interesting story.

nilec said...

I agree that stories play a role in marketing. Molly and I always go to Chipotle and read the stories on the cups. Sometimes i won't even be thirsty, I just buy a drink for the interesting story.

nicolek said...

Stefo-
I think that this ties in with the empathy factor. If doctors know their patients better than their patients will be more comfortable in their enviornment. For lawyers, it they develope a close bond then they will work harder to win the case

josed said...

Stef, Lawyers shouldn't get emotionally involved, but doctors SHOULD DEFINITELY get the story, and listen. It's been proven people get better faster in that kind of environment.

lizc said...

Mrs. Hokanson- I definately agree with the Google being fact able. They can relate stories through words but not through physical contact and emotion. It helps you understand so much better when you can talk to someone face to face instead of just reading something that they wrote.

Kristin Hokanson said...

Louise at our school the science teachers have the kids TURN facts into story..or analyze story to come up with the formulas etc...
The kids love it, they learn and guess what ...their tests scores are good too ;-)

meganu said...

I agree with Nicole. Before I say something to somebody, I make a story in my head. By making a story, it's kind of like having a design for your facts. Without having some designed story for your words, most of the time you can ramble on, saying things that don't really make sense.

amyw said...

That's a good point about lawyers and doctors not getting emotionally involved, stefo. I think especially with lawyers this is true. They can't be biased in any way, otherwise it dramatically alters the case.

amandah said...

Stef-
I agree with your opinion about finding out a person's story being unnecessary

KatherineM said...

Story brings emotion and deeper meaning to everything. It's great to be able to hear someone's stories and be to relate to others. Story is a great tool that has the ability to bring everyone together.

Kristin Hokanson said...

stefo I think that in the cases you mentioned yes, personal involvement can occur, BUT at the person who is affected by it...that is somehting important to me...I WANT to know that my doctor cares, is involved

Liap said...

I agree with Stef. Doctors do need to stay emotionally uninvolved. There was an episode of Grey's Anatomy where Izzy falls in love with a heart patient, and she took a heart that was for someone before him on the waiting list and gave it to him. In the end, both patients died and Izzy got suspended from practicing medicine.

alexd said...

Stef-
I agree with you but it seems like if you were a lawyer you would find out the story of your client either way. I guess the decision you would have to make is whether you choose to really think about their side or just what you should to do your job.

Louiseb said...

Chelsea S. – I agreed with Kristin too about how most jobs require story through interaction. When my dad was looking for a lawyer, he went through many people because he couldn’t relate to them. Then he found a man that was a lot like him and was going through a similar situation so he knew that they would be able to relate to each other.
Wouldn’t you rather have a “representative” that you had things in common with and could relate to?

amyw said...

nile---The cups at Chipotle are always interesting. And the fact that they treat their animals so well and are talking about naturally raised beef and stuff like that, it makes me compelled to go there as opposed to some other restaurant.

MollyS said...

Steph-
If I in need of a lawyer or doctor, I don't think that I would perfer one that didn't empathise with me. When I got my wisdom teeth out over the summer, I had more fun at the oral surgon's office than I ever have at any doctor's office in the whole world. The doctor was cool, and seemed to genuinly care about what happened to me, and when you are getting your wisdom teeth out, it helps to feel comfortable in the place that it will happen.

josed said...

Ok, another question: how would you change the school system to integrate more story

BrianC said...

Stefo-I don't think that having doctors and lawyers be unbiased is very good. I mean, having a doctor that can understand your situation better is better than if they just get the basic facts. And lawyers should be able to understand why you think you're in the right and the other guy is in the wrong. Also, remember that lawyers are pretty much paid to be biased in your favor, it's the judge and jury that need to be unbiased.

markg said...

Louise- I think that that is a good example of story. If a person is representing you and he doesn't relate to you at all than he wont see where your coming from and wont show emotion when he's in the spotlight.

amyw said...

I think doctors need to strike a balance between being impersonal and caring too much. Like some doctors are almost mean, yet some are standing over you. There's definitely a fine line there.

Kristin Hokanson said...

I am enjoying the conversation from a student perspective about doctors...one other concept that stood out to me is how story "context enriched by emotion" in that case you are adding your emotion to the context of your symptoms

nicolek said...

Louise- I agree, you need someone with a story you can relate to. Thats usually how we make friends, by telling each other stories and the more you relate the closer you feel to that person

nilec said...

louiseb,
Someone who represents you should have things in common wiht you and you should feel comfortable with them, but with some ocupations there needs to be a certain level of relation in order to maintain the business side of things.

Liap said...

Markg- I agree that lawyers need emotion to do their job, but if doctors get too emotional then it really clouds their vision of what they should do for you.

Kristin Hokanson said...

Liap I like your analogy to Grey's Anatomy and you are right drs need to stay emotionally uninvolved, but the also need to hear the patients symptoms in the context of their emotion

lizc said...

Stefo- I completely disagree with the idea of lawyers or doctors not getting to know the clients that they deal with. They need to be connected with them in a way for them to understand thier clients story. Afterall, the lawyer does need to know the story about the client and what they feel. And those people could be working on a case for years! They have to know eachother and understand the stories for them to perform well when it comes to a trial.

BrianC said...

Here's a question, why do people like stories better than facts besides the fact that facts are hard to remember?

amyw said...

brianc---You have a point. Lawyers are supposed to help you, but the judge and jury can't be biased. So I guess lawyers can be emotionally attached to you, but judge and jury can't.

josed said...

I agree with amy, because I have a mother for caring about me. But I don't want to be in pain while someone just asks me questions. Really, it's kind of creepy when a total stranger gets wrapped up in my story.

KatherineM said...

I agree with Mollly. I like doctors and dentists that do have empathy and share stories with me. A few years ago, I had to have many teeth pulled out, and the dentists were so nice. They told me about how they have also had gone through the experience of having teeth pulled, and they were fine. Those dentists having empathy for me and sharing their stories made me so much more comfortable.

alexd said...

Jose-
I think that it is a major duty of the teacher to bring story into schools but it is not all of their duty because they have restrictions in what they can teach and how they can teach it. So I think it is also the duty of the education board to help and bring story into schools.

markg said...

In the inner circle they were talking about online doctor diagnosis. I think that people will not want to replace doctors because a computer does not account for emotional problems that could make your sickness worse.

Louiseb said...

Amy W- I have noticed that to. There are several places that you can get a cup or a container that has a story or a joke or something that might interest you.
I really like Vitamin water. On the back of those bottles there are always funny little situations that relate to what the drink is supposed to do- I really enjoy reading those whenever I drink vitamin water.

amandah said...

Lia-
I agree lawyers have to have emotion in their job. Thats a good point you made about doctors getting to emotional that it clouds their vision!

nicolek said...

Ms. Hokanson-
I thougt the context enriched my emotion was also very interesting. I think Daniel Pink did a very good job with writing his book because you could really tell that he cared about the subject and didn't just tell the statistics but he told us stories like the wine bottle one, or when he took his children shopping. It just makes it a lot more enjoyable to read

Javonm said...

I think that facts are not unimportant but that we need to truely use both parts of our mind an equals and not say that facts are most important, but don't take away the importance of facts at the same time. I think it is a good idea for the doctor to relate to you and listen to the stories you are telling. I don't think that the doctor should stop utilizing their ability to know exaclty what is wrong and although they are talking to children, need to use doctor terms for not us, but the poeple who are taking care of us. Our parents haven't gone through this same movement because this is no longer their generation it is ares. I think that since we don't go to the doctor's office by ourselves yet that the doctor needs to truely say whats wrong so we are able to fix it.

stefo said...

alexd andd brainc- I don't think that lawyers need to be emotionally involved especially with guilty clients. Lawyers need to remain ethical bu they also want to win the case. So they can't always learn the true story of their clients because then they are legally obligated to tell the whole truth. But if they don't know the whole truth then they can spin the story any way they want. It sounds really bad but lawyers of the defendant have to be this way

lizc said...

brianc- People like stories because they are interesting and fun to listen to. It is so much more worth laughing than it is to have a bunch of facts stored in your brain. People need to have connection with others, and facts don't provide the connection besides the FACT that they have happened in the past. Stories and emotions last forever.

Renee Howell said...

I'm on the ETAC committee with Ms. Smith. Her comment intrigued me, how much knowledge do you all think you need before you can launch on your own learing? How can schools start "your own learning?"

Kristin Hokanson said...

Why are stories better than facts....hmmm am listening to someone in the room speak why :) Humans are social creatures...we need to be connected and being connected means learning story...

I am so excited to be at a conference and actually MEET face to face some of the folks whos blogs I read...I feel like I know them because I know their stories

amandah said...

Brianc-
People prefer stories because they bring meaning to things and its easier to understand.

amyw said...

louiseb---Same with me and Vitamin Water! I try to try a different flavor each time so I can read a different story on the bottle. It almost makes you want to buy it more, knowing there will be a story to read.

josed said...

I like stories in my drinks, too. Especially when I'm waiting for the real food at those restaurants, I always look around for a story. Maybe a poster or a family. It really helps pass the time.

josed said...

I like stories in my drinks, too. Especially when I'm waiting for the real food at those restaurants, I always look around for a story. Maybe a poster or a family. It really helps pass the time.

MollyS said...

Lia-
I to agree that lawyers need empathy to, becase if they didn't have any emotional connection to the case, then how can they expect the people who they are arguing their case for to belive what they have to say.

KatherineM said...

I think people in professional positions should listen to their clients' stories and relate to them, but there's a fine line between being able to relate to the client and getting emotionally involved.

lizc said...

I think that it would be interesting to visit a medical school and see how they teach future nurses and doctors to act with clients. Do they want them to cut in on their patients or do they want them to know the persons story? In the future if doctors with continually lack emotion they could eventually be replaced by robots or computers that could do all the work. That would definately not benifit the patients.

chelseas said...

I agree about the notes on the cups of different stores and places to eat. As you are eating, you have a tendancy to read those stories. Many times this is trying to get a point across. I think that this shows how important that story really is.

Liap said...

Louiseb-
I agree about the Vitamin water. There are a lot of that same type of drink, but I would rather get Vitamin Water because of the stories. It is always kind of funny when you see those at the last minute and then they end up relating to you.

BrianC said...

Stefo-True, but if they don't know the whole story, how can they effectivly question the witnesses and if the opposing side does know the whole story, the the lawyer could be trapped by not knowing what they were talking about.

johnb said...

Stories have been used for hundreds of years because people are able to relate to them. Stories help people understand. When people understand, they are more comfortable.

Kristin Hokanson said...

Louiseb that is funny I just opened a vitamin water...now I feel like I have to go read the story on the back lol :)

alexd said...

Stef-
But also I’m guessing that even if the lawyers know the full story, they will do what they have to do to win their cases, and I think they have to know they full story. If you watch movies, the lawyers always say, “In order to win this case, you have to tell me the whole story.” Just a little connection.

meganu said...

Ms. Smith is talking about stories on cups. I get vitamin water, not only to drink, but to read the stories. When I am at the store, I love reading each story on each bottle. Some of them even make me laugh out loud, which makes everyone around me just stare at me like I'm weird or something. But I really do enjoy reading those stories.

josed said...

I'd like to connect with an inner circle comment. I didn't know that about the "Life is Good" shirt! Now I understand the shirt, and I like it more.

lizc said...

Chelsea- I LOVE the stories that are on the starbucks and chipotle cups! I wish that I had cut some of them out and kept them. The stories alone can be worth going there, not to mention the super good food!

amyw said...

Does anyone buy the Product (RED) stuff at the Gap? Whatever product you buy of it, 50% of the proceeds go to the Global Fund to help fight AIDS in Africa. On each product you buy, there's also a little tag explaining that. The story of how it helps makes you want to buy it more. It's emotionally compelling, plus it looks cool!

Javonm said...

stefo- It is tough for me I am not sure whether or not the lawyer needs to become emotionally involved with their clients. I think that for the lawyer to be successful they may need to become attached to the client to undertsand the clients side and for the client to feel open enough to spill all of the truth.

Louiseb said...

Renee Howell- I think that is a really interesting question. I don’t think that there is necessarily a specific amount of knowledge that you need before you can take over your own learning. However I do think that it is very important for teachers to teach kids how to manage their own learning. I think that this is a good example of kids being taught how to learn because we drive our own discussions and projects.

lizc said...

Jose- same with me about the whole "Life is Good" shirt. I understand it so much more now. And I like it a ton more too!

stefo said...

What about products with stories that are false? It accomplishes its task of selling the product but the story is false. What then?

nilec said...

I don't think anyone is realizing it, but we are using our own stories to help prove how important stories are in everyday life.

nicolek said...

I really like that point Ms. Smith brought up. On CSAP there is not story at all. They just ask us questions about facts and we just have to bubble in the right answer. I would like it better if there was more story and it was easier to relate too. Also the prompts we have to answer I find hard to right a really good story to because I'm not usually passionate about that topic.

lizc said...

Javon- I completely agree with you about the whole lawyer thing. They have to be connected with more that plain facts. That way the understanding is made more clear.

Liap said...

MeganU-

Yeah, I do that sometimes too... but people are go over to the Vitamin Water to see what i'm laughing at.

johnb said...

The main problem with standardized testing is that they are geared to left-brained, factual people. Most people are not like that. Also, tests are very plain and straitforward. They are not very interesting or involving.

NickB said...

Here's a question for all you outer circle people:
How does story infuance advertizing?

alexd said...

I know that I hate standardized testing. I think that standardized tests are grouping every student in the same category and they are not unique at all to most people’s successful learning. I don’t really know anyone who prefers standardized testing.

Louiseb said...

Nile- I noticed that too. I think that is a really good example of how story is really important in our society.

lizc said...

I can't stand CSAP. You just sit there and test for hours after hours reproducing facts that teachers tried to stuff in your brain and prepare you for. Like Mark is saying in the inner circle, you need to have more chioces and feeling involved in the test. If they rearranged the test to make it meet those expectations the test scores would most likely improve so much.

amandah said...

Stef-
thats a good point. I was thinking about that too. What if some businesses make up false stories to sell their product?
Do you think that if people found out that the stories were false do you think people would stop buying the product?

Liap said...

NileC-
You're right! That just proves how much people rely on stories!

Javonm said...

Mrs. Howell- When I think of that question it makes me think about how I learn. I think that to learn for yourself you mist learn the aspects of learning and the ability to search and to find things. I think though that you also need to learn how to recognize stories and details, and emotionally how to react to these stories.

KatherineM said...

Nile- That's a good point. It goes to show how necessary and effective story is.

meganu said...

LiaP- Haha that's good advertisement! By laughing at some story on a water bottle, more people come over to read the story, and maybe because of that story, they start buying Vitamin Water too. I think that maybe the whole purpose of the stories are to sell more products because the stories appeal to the buyer.

johnb said...

I agree with Mark. Arguing really allows people to state their opinion, and allows people to become more involved. It also reveals more about yourself. The only problem would be being able to grade it efficiently. I think the teacher idea is good, but each teacher is different. They also grade differently.

Kristin Hokanson said...

Interesting comments about advertising!
Isn't that the point of advertising to sell you on the product

Louiseb said...

Nick- I think that all of the examples of stories that go along with the products that people buy shows how story influences advertising. I think that a lot of people would much rather buy something with a story even if is costs a little more simply because whenever they look at the product they will think of the story that goes with it and the product will become that much more special.

lizc said...

amandah- If people found out that stories were false I think that people would be angered and stop buying the products. They want truth in a story and if they find out that a very good business has a false story just to make money then they won't want that product anymore. They want truth.

Kristin Hokanson said...

Don't you all remember the catchy slogans....
Just do it...the marathon runner preparing for the race....
Advertising is al about interesting story

BrianC said...

Lizc-I agree that standardized tests are boring and just regurgitation of facts. Like Mrs. Smith said near the beginning of the year, we need to be producers of information, not just consumers (and regugitators).

Liap said...

MeganU

Yeah, it definatly sells water, but the reason people buy it is because they like to think that the people who sell it write the stories just to make their day. But, at the end of the day, they just know how to appeal to the buyers.

stefo said...

Standardized tests do need to have so creative writing on them. Daniel Pink's book we need to learn how to tell a story. That's an important part of life. Maybe we can test this in a different way but when students leave school they need how to tell a good story.

alexd said...

I think it is ironic that they grade standardized tests grade kids on how well they tell a story, even though that is not just something that you can get right or wrong. It is all based on opinion.

meganu said...

Nick- Like I just said about Vitamin Water, people like Lia and me read the stories and sometimes laugh at them. The other people at the store who hear me laugh sometimes come over to see what I'm laughing at. Then if they like the stories, they might start buying the product just because they like the stories.

amyw said...

amandah---I think they would definitely stop. I know I would. There would no longer be an emotional attachment, so people wouldn't want to buy the products anymore.

johnb said...

Good point lizc. Everyone values truth. Being truthful is a good trait to have wherever you go, whatever you do.

amandah said...

Lizc-
I agree! But I know some people who still buy the product if its story was false just because it tastes good or is a good product.

Kristin Hokanson said...

Lizc yes truth in story is important story needs to appeal to one's emotion without being deceiving

SerenaL said...

Just to bring in the inner circle conversation, how do you think we should replace standardized testing? or should we keep it the same?

Personally, I think each student should write a short (or long) essay to the teacher about how they have changed in their learning, and maybe tell a story about why or how they changed. The teacher should judge if the student has grown as a person, and not just memorized some vocabulary words. The teacher has a more personal connection to the students, not who ever is reading your essay about your hero. Now that I think of it though, that would be alot of work for the teacher.

KatherineM said...

Like Megan said, people who read this blog and see the stories about vitamin being discussed will probably lead to other people buying at vitamin water. Using stories is an excellent advertising technique, because stories are somthing that people really want to share with others.

josed said...

To connect with the inner circle: there is no standardized creativity, so there should be no standardized test for writing. Each teacher should do it by themselves. If not, then we are doomed to left-brained storytelling, which is not storytelling at all! We've got to stop this somehow. Even if they look for creativity, they are too rushed with thousands of tests. The teachers should evaluate this and report.

Renee Howell said...

lousieb
thanks for the response. had some new user difficulty. Do you think people can start learning their own way in kindergarten, 5th grade, etc?

alexd said...

Liz-
That is true but how will we ever know if someone is telling a true story or not.

lizc said...

Mrs. Hokanson- The idea of slogans also connects back to the idea of "Life is Good". Those three words explain a whole story that people can enjoy and connect to. The product is very succesfull. However, if you don't know the story then "life is good" can personally connect to your own life from your own point. The slogan works both ways.

Kristin Hokanson said...

I am glad Ms Smith's conversation is highlighting the activities in the back of the chapter...I know my own kids 5 and 7 write ALL the time....they make up stories...when do kids lose that passion for story?

amandah said...

Amy-
I agree I know I would stop too! But what if it was a really popular item?

meganu said...

Lia- I can agree with that. I know everytime I read those stories, it makes me laugh or think about something and it almost seems like the writer wrote it to make people laugh and cheer up there day. But now that I look back, I realize that they really only talk about what's popular among the people during that time period.

Renee Howell said...

General Question: how has AWNM impacted your lea?rning and view of school

Kristin Hokanson said...

Renee--
That is a GREAT question!!

lizc said...

alexd- I believe that facts will always slip out no matter how much someone may try to hide them. The amount of publicity a business recieves can alway result in them spilling the beans and telling the truth.

amyw said...

amandah---That's true. And if it tasted good, I maybe wouldn't want to stop. I think I would force myself to because I wouldn't want to give money to someone who was dishonest.

josed said...

Kids lose their passion for story when they have to write about something they don't have passion for very very often. There's no fun in it when you can't free your ideas, and you'd much rather do something else.

SerenaL said...

ms. hokanson, I haven't lost my passion for story, I just don't have the time to write any more. With school work, private lessons like karate and piano, and keeping a social life so that I don't get to stressed out, I don't have time for the creative writing I used to do. Over the year, I write down my ideas in a Word document and over the summer I go over all of them and see if I could form a whole story with any of the little ideas.

Kristin Hokanson said...

Do you think (students) that you will try to incorporate some of the activities into your own learning?

stefo said...

Renee-AWNM has changed my learning so much. I look for design all around me. I see story everywhere

Louiseb said...

Renee Howell- I think that there is a limit to learning on your own, but there are always exceptions. Obviously, a little baby couldn’t do all of their learning independently, but there are still some aspects that they could do on their own. My mom teaches Kindergarten and sometimes I help out in her class. When I work with those kids it always amazes me when they make connections that I don’t make- it just proves to me that we all think in our own way, and I feel that that fact sort of proves that we are all in control of our own learning.

Louiseb said...

Renee Howell- I think that there is a limit to learning on your own, but there are always exceptions. Obviously, a little baby couldn’t do all of their learning independently, but there are still some aspects that they could do on their own. My mom teaches Kindergarten and sometimes I help out in her class. When I work with those kids it always amazes me when they make connections that I don’t make- it just proves to me that we all think in our own way, and I feel that that fact sort of proves that we are all in control of our own learning.

lizc said...

Mrs. Howell, Wow! I don't even know where to start. First of all, when I talk to my parents about the ideas of AWNM they wont listen to me and take it in. It has impacted me so much and now I also enjoy LA a lot more than I used to. Well, I could go on a lot more but the bell just rang. Thanks so much for blogging!

josed said...

Well, thank you very much for being with us, but class is over. Hope to see you in other discussions. Bye!

Kristin Hokanson said...

Thanks for letting me blog along
Looking forward to hearing your stories

Renee Howell said...

Thank you class, Mrs. Smith, Mr. Fisch, and Mr. Porter for letting me be a part of your class. The audible sad sigh that went up when the bell rang was a great sign for how much you all were into the class discussion. I was just getting rolling. I will be back with you next week. I'm REALLY looking forward to the opportunity. Your knowledge and experience helps me be a better Board member. You help me ask better questions, which is a huge part of my job on the LPS Board. Thank you.

clarao said...

For me, story is the best way to learn, and the same is probably true for a lot of other students. I think that in general, when a story is connected with what we learn, we are more likely to pay attention and then remember the information. Because everyone has their own story, they can connect with other stories which makes it more interesting. No one would want to read a book, for example, that just had a list of events. The reason we are so entertained by books is because of the way the story goes and the small details that we can connect to. That is also what sets different authors apart. They tell their stories diffrently and usually their personality shows through their work.

caitlina said...

It sounds like you guys had a fun discussion! I am sorry that I missed out.
I will just tell that I think that this chapter is the one that I will remember the most. Dan Pink explains how stories are easier to remember and recall. Story is also a wonderful way to study in my opinion. When a story is put in place of facts, I feel as if I learn and remember the information alot easier. Just like the rhymes used to remember the order of the planets. That is a whole lot easier to recall when you are in the middle of a test than trying to recall facts.
Story is one way that all humans can relate to each other. Every single person has their own life story. When that story is shared, people can relate to that story with stories from their own life story.
Just like Dan Pink said, even cavemen used stories to explain what was going on. Man has been using story for thousands of years, to explain things. Where would we be without story?