Thursday, January 10, 2008

AWNM intro-3 Fishbowl Period 2

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kristenw said...

wow daniel pink must have taken alot of time to think of all this stuff

BrianC said...

Ya, not only thinking of all this but getting all the resources and data that he uses in the book.

amyw said...

I agree. It's hard not to be convinced by his arguments.

amandah said...

I agree Kristen and he must have done a lot of research.

alexd said...

I think that Daniel Pink thinks a lot differnetly than most people. I havent even thought about most of the things that he talks about.

kristenw said...

i agree with javon i think its interesting that he is a left brain thinker but hes talking about the right brain thinkers are going to be the ones to rule the future

amyw said...

I also thought it was funny how he said in that video how bad he did in law school yet this book is based on an argument :-)

KatherineM said...

I agree with what is being said within the inner circle. I find it very interesting that he's a left brain thinker, but his whole book is encouraging more right brain thinking.

SerenaL said...

I was wondering if any one else was really surprised that Daniel Pink was left brained. He seems creative so I figured he was right-brained.

kristenw said...

ya i think its so crazy how he went through so much to write this book

nilec said...

I agree with brian and kristen, he has so mmany stories and quotes that he uses

chelseas said...

I think that Dan Pink is trying to tell us that technology is changing the way that we think, just like how all of the books that we read first semester predicted this. I also think that you can related to different things. I agree with Nicole, and that this scared me at first. I was sort of shocked about all of the statistics that he put into the book.

BrianC said...

The book isn't about only right-brainers ruleing the future, it's Whole-Brain thinkers, those who can use both sides of their brain. That's why it's called "A Whole New Mind".

Louiseb said...

I agree with Amy W.
It is really hard not to agree with his arguments and i think that it is mainly because of the way he says things. It seems like he really believes what he says and i think that that helps make an argument successful.

amyw said...

katherinem I think it shows a lot of honesty because like was said in the inner circle, he's not just a right-brainer advocating right-brain thinking, he's a left-brainer who honestly thinks that this is a change that's really coming.

maddief said...

When I first started reading this book, I thought that it would be a psychoanalysis of our minds, and whether or not we are right brain thinkers or left brain thinkers. Now we know that he wants us to use both hemispheres of our brains, but that the jobs that will be available will be right brain jobs. This scares me because although I enjoy right brain thinking, I've been preparing myself for a left brain job. What should I do now? Are our teachers educating us in the correct areas of thinking?

Lukez said...

I think that it shows that he is trying to help people with this book because he is a left brain thinker but still firmly believes that right brain thinkers will have the most important job. It also makes it easier to believe his arguments.

alyssas said...

I agree with Alex. I haven't even thought about any of the things Daniel Pink noticed and wrote about. But once I read the beginning of the book, I started noticing the small details that Daniel Pink was talking about, that I never would have noticed before.

alexd said...

I think that Daniel Pink thinks about things that most people are afraid to think about. I think a lot of people are in denial about the future.

aweber said...

chelsea-
it is not only technology but asia too...

kristenw said...

serena
i agree to me he seemed to be able to look outside the box and yet he said that he was such a left brained thinker

nilec said...

I agree with brian and kristen, he has so mmany stories and quotes that he uses

amandah said...

serena-
I was really surprised when I found out that he was left brained.

phoebef said...

i agree with brianc, i think that in reading this book people think that if you arent right brained you are doomed, but wat POink is trying to explain is that its isnt only the people that are naturaly right brianed, but the people who can learn to utalize both sides of their brain. thats what the future is all about..the ability to incorperate all sides and perspectives in situations.

Lukez said...

maddief - I think that it is important to know what side of your brain you work with more to read this book. If you didn't know what side your on already it wouldn't be nearly as helpful to read this book. I think thats why we did the surveys about right brain left brain thinking yesterday.

lizc said...

alex- a agree with you. A lot of people don't want to look into the future. They are only concerned with what was happening right now.

KatherineM said...

I definitely was scared when I started readiing A Whole New Mind. I'm more of left brain person, and I'm not the most creative person, so it had me worried about what the future is going to be like. Like Maddie said, I have been preparing myself for a left brain job.

caitlina said...

Most of this stuff i have never even thought about, I have always just accepted the world for what it was. I didn't realize that we were moving into such a huge change but it makes sense.

chelseas said...

I think that because we read this book, we will have a better "jump", so to say, for the future. I also think that we might be more prepared for the future in the long run. We might think differently than other students, in terms of when we start thinking about jobs.

amyw said...

Reading this book made me really happy because I'm a real right-brained thinker, and although I'm not artistic, I'm still right-brained. It also made me scared though because my dad is a computer programmer and it's really freaky to think that an Indian person could take his job for so much less money.

nilec said...

I was surprised to hear that the SAT tests don't measure your knowledge completely because we spend so much of our time in school learning and preparing for standard tests.

kristenw said...

maddie-
ya i totally agree it makes me wonder if teachers are going to have to start teaching us more right brain thinking

Louiseb said...

I think alex d brought up a relaly good point. It seems like Daniel Pink qrote this book as sort of a way to expose what is happening in our world and when you really think about it almost all of what he said is true or is becoming true and many people either dont realize or wont admit what our world is coming to.

BrianC said...

Maddie-Like I said before, the left-brain stuff that we've been learning will still be valuable, but now we need to learn more stuff, apart from the traditional, left-brain learning. In essence, we need to learn more than our parents did to be able to succeed.

amyw said...

chelseas I completely agree. I was seriously considering being a lawyer when I grew up, but now I don't really want to as much because of what's happening to lawyers with all those websites and stuff.

maddief said...

I agree with Javon, it is strange that Mr. Pink is a left brain thinker. In his book, he has such a unique style of writing, and I honestly thought that all writers were right brain thinkers. However, the whole book is just a collection of data and how to apply it to our lives. Mr. Pink gathered and analyzed data, which is definitely the sign of a left brain thinker. He just put the data together in a creative form.

Liap said...

I agree with Mark the SATs can be really difficult, because it's hard to focus for that long, and a lot of people have test anxiety, and they don't really work for everyone.

caitlina said...

Louise-
I agree most people don't think that this could happen to our world. but it totally makes sense.

aweber said...

katherine-
just because you are planning for a "left-brained" job doesn't mean you can't do that: he said in his book somewhere (don't remember where) that there are engineers, an obvious left-brain job, that are composers and inventors in their spare time

SerenaL said...

louiseb, I think that his argument is really convincing because we haven't heard the other side of the story. If some one wrote a book about why the left-brain is important, then I'd probably agree with them too.

maddief, I think that only Ms. Smith is preparing us for the correct kind of thinking in the future, because she is assigning us books that warn us of the future and of how to change that. It's kind of funny to think about all of the jobs that can be replaced by robots and computers. Technology is one of our biggest enemies for getting a job. We created our own competition.

kristenw said...

nile-
ya i was surprised to hear that to it made me wonder why we even take the SAT's if they don't even measure alot of our knowledge

amyw said...

Nilec I was surprised too. I've never liked standardized tests because I've always thought they were pointless. You're just "regurgitating" your knowledge, as Ms. Smith would say. You aren't really learning, just putting answers down and memorizing facts.

chelseas said...

Aaron-oh, good point about Asia.

I also thought that it was interesting about how many countries are becoming more like the United States, in terms of technology.

Louiseb said...

I agree with javon- when i have a written test I will memorize things the night before and then take the test but as soon as im done with the test i dont have any need to remember the facts and forget them

meganu said...

Megan- I think Daniel Pink's views on the future are interesting. I know a lot of people think that the future will be all about technology and thinking logically so you can create even more technology. Pink on the other hand says that the future belongs to the artists and the creators.

Stef-wow guys sorry. my computer is messed up so I am going to comment with Megan. I have been listening to the outer circle and I really agree. I hate CSAP tests and my sister has trouble taking any test so I don't believe that SATs are good measurements of learning. older teachers also hold us back by not indroducing us to the 21st century

Lukez said...

liap - I agree with you that SATs can be difficult for some. I think that a lot of the things on the test are focused on left brain thinkers. Even the left brain thinkers can have trouble taking the test because of the time limit and pressure.

alyssas said...

Chelsea- I agree with you. I think reading this book has kind of opened up our eyes and made us realize things we never would have seen before, which could help us prepare for the future. I never would have thought about things that Daniel Pink points out. I mean, I always noticed they were there, but I didn't put enough thought into it, to forsee the things Daniel Pink does.

amyw said...

I really like Daniel Pink writes because he's kind of sarcastic sometimes and manages to make this topic interesting and compelling. Of course he uses language that I don't always understand, but I still like his style of writing. Does anyone else agree with me?

BrianC said...

I think that the SATs are still important but they need to revise it or make a completly new test that measures both sides' strength. Maybe like a LRBAT, a Left and Right Brain Analysis Test.

amandah said...

amy- I agree with you some standardized are really pointless but like molly said earlier they're may be some people who learn better that way.

alexd said...

I think that in general (not always) I think that American students only learn to pass tests and i think that this is a major problem and will continue to create more problems in the future.

kristenw said...

this book made me think if maybe its not fair that we are giving all our boring(or waht i think of as boring) or right-brained jobs on Asia and now were gonna do the more fun or interest left brained jobs.

does anyone else feel thins or am i just wierd???

phoebef said...

i agree with serenal, i think that people believe what they want to believe, and what is presented to them. Like you said, if someone wrote a book on the importance of the left brain, i would probably listen to that as well. But instead we are reasding and focused on this book, which is really just another perspective on the future. im not saying that i dont agree with anything daniel pink says, just that there are other sides to the story.

amyw said...

This book has opened up my eyes as well. I never thought of any of his arguments at all. At least now I know I'm more informed.

Lukez said...

I think that Pink knows that we will have very advanced technology. He just knows that inventing is done by right brain thinking. He is also saying that it may be invented in the USA but it will probably end up being produced by machines.

maddief said...

Yeah Alex, I agree with you. Our society is ignoring the signs that left brain jobs are slowly disappearing in the U.S. Like most crises, it's easier for people to turn a blind eye towards them than try to solve them. I think that what Mr. Pink is trying to tell us is that as the future generation of workers, we have to be the ones that are aware of which jobs to take.

nilec said...

I think students should have the option to choose what type of tests they want to take that would best show your knowledge.

alyssas said...

Amy- I agree. Like when he was describing about his family's trip to Target, I thought that made it more interesting because it relates to everybody, and makes a point that is very obvious, even though a lot of people don't see it.

meganu said...

stef- I really agree with what Jose is saying. As we progess in life, the new technology is amazing and slowly replacing the human brain for mundane things. Daniel Pink is truly preparing us to survive in a world that soon wont need people for analytical things

BrianC said...

Amy-
I agree that his style of writing is inspiring. It's like you're listening to a motivational speaker. He makes you want to get up and do something productive.

nicolek said...

i agree with what alex said because if all we do is memorize for the test and then forget it, the whole process seems like a waste of time. In school we're preparing ourselves for the real world and to get jobs so if we're just memozing and forgetting, what good will that do in the real world?

KatherineM said...

I think that SATs and other tests like that are difficult for some people but easy and favorable for others. Because of that, I think it's good to have a mixture of tests, like we do in this class. Sometimes we do written tests, but we also we have discussions, as we are right now.

Louiseb said...

I think that alex had a good question... In a lot of cases is the only reason that american kids learn to pass tests?

I think that teachers should really focus on teaching us in ways that apply to our lives. I know that this would help me because I learn from my experiences.

chelseas said...

I totally agree with Liz, and about how visual things stick in my mind. I think that having the laptops in class helps us prepare for the future, like with what Mark was saying. I think that we are preparing for the future pretty well.

kristenw said...

brian-

ya thats a good idea because if what dan pinksays is true and that there will be a much greater need for left brained thinking we will definatley need more of a test of our left brained skills

amandah said...

Luke thats a very good point I think he does know that the technology will become more advanced. Its kind of scary to think that technology is getting more advanced and we don't have a lot of time to keep up with it.

caitlina said...

I agree with you Amy some of the thing that Mr. Pink talks about, are things that I have never even thought about.

SerenaL said...

I agree with caitlina. I usually avoid thinking about the future because we don't know what is going to happen. For all we know, the entire world could be under water in like 20 years. Oh that's cool what Mark just said "We are preparing our selves for jobs that we don't know exist yet"

What do you think the education system is doing to our minds? Are they helping us or pushing us away from what Daniel Pink thinks we should be doing?

amyw said...

kristenw---those people in Asia that we're giving our left-brained jobs to are very happy to have them because even though we think they earn no money, they're considered rich in their country. So although we might view it as unfair because we're going to have a lot of jobless people and we're just dumping our jobs on them, they see it as amazing because they'll finally have a chance at a better life.

alyssas said...

Katherine- I was thinking the same thing. For some topics it is easier to do the test verbally like we do fishbowls. But sometimes it is easier to do "paper and pencil" tests, that we have been doing for our entire lives.

Lukez said...

Kristen - I got that idea from this book. I think that they are getting all of these boring jobs but they were the jobs that Americans were doing before. So maybe once the people in Asia start thinking that these jobs are boring they will start doing the right brained jobs and find another way to get the left brained jobs done.

meganu said...

stef- In the SHIFT HAPPENS video facts are presented about how there are people exactly like you. We are being prepared for jobs that do not exist. All the jobs that have been coveted that have now been outsourced so now we have to find different ways to stay ontop of workforce. Outsourcing isn't a bad thing though.

amandah said...

Nicole you made an interesting point about memorizing for tests and then forgetting and that reminded me of my parents and my aunts and uncles they say that they forgot alot of things they learned in school.

kristenw said...

i agree with amy and brian this book makes me want to do more to prepare my self for the future

lizc said...

Amandah- that is definately true. They come out with a new type of ipod every year or so. My brother, for his birthday recieved an 80 gig ipod. I got a 1 gig on my birthday in 2006. Later, I asked my dad about the price of the 80 gig and he told me that he got if for the same amount he got my 1 gig a year before. That is how fast the tech. is moving!

phoebef said...

i think that teachers teach the curriculum provided. it isnt necissarily they're fault that they teach simple facts. For instance there is probably a very small percentage of people who use American history in their career, but it still has importance. If we didnt learn about history, what would eventually happen? just because we wont use it in our later career doesnt mean that it isnt important.

amyw said...

serenal---I think school is pushing us away from Daniel Pink's "vision" because of all the standardized tests and the fact that right-brained type stuff is just underplayed by schools. A lot of teachers just want us to regurgitate knowledge, and they don't encourage us to think "outside the box" (like Ms. Smith does).

caitlina said...

It's amazing that the same jobs are paying less in Asia than in the US. I know that the standard of living is different in India, and such countries, than in the Us, but shouldn't they still be paid the same?

kristenw said...

amy-
true but i wonder if they know that we could make alot more money doing the same job in america

maddief said...

Yeah, Serena, I think that Ms. Smith is the only teacher that encourages us to "do our own learning." My mom is a first grade teacher, and when I told her about this book, it really shocker her. Most little kids are thrilled to do right brain activities, like coloring pictures or writing stories. But what about when kids go to middle or high school? Almost all right brain classes are optional in higher grades. If what Mr. Pink is saying is true, then right brain classes should be a required part of daily education for all students.

nicolek said...

amandah- yeah most adults do forget things they learned, like the show are you smarter than a fifth grader, adults get out smarted by kids so clearly we need a new system of learning so that the things we learned will stay with us and help us in our daily lives

alexd said...

I agree with what Nicole said at the beginning of the discussion about being afraid of the future and what it might hold. I think the fact that the world is changing so drastically and quickly scares a lot of people.

alyssas said...

Serena- I think that schools right now are still having us lean toward left-brain thinking because they still have us do standarized tests like CSAP and SAT. But I think they are also trying to help us transition into the right-brain world by setting up classes like our English class, with laptops to help us prepare for the future.

Lukez said...

Meganu - I think that the video Shift Happens is just a ton of facts that all support that people need to start doing the right brain directed jobs.

amyw said...

caitlina---They aren't paid the same because companies have realized that they can get the some work done for much less money. Companies are in a way taking advantage of people in Asia by paying them less, even though it gives them a good standard of living. The whole point is to save money.

meganu said...

lizc- (this is stef) I know that you said this awhile ago but when you said that people like to live in the moment that reminded me of another book we read. F451! Most people live like they did in that book. Only living in the moment. Nick just talked about parents stuck in the past and thinking that their accountant job will never be outsourced. My mom was an accountant for a long time when she decided to get her MFA. she is thrilled with all the thing Mr Pink is saying.

kristenw said...

luke-
ya but what are they going to do with the left brained jobs will they be done completely by technology

chelseas said...

It's amazing how so many things are going overseas, and how so many things are being outsourced. I think that it will be harder for all of us to get jobs, because we all may be outsourced. I think that in our generation, we will really need to rise to the challenge, and try to be the top.

nilec said...

to add on to Kristen's question... is it fair that we get paid more to do the same jobs.

caitlina said...

Going along with what Molly was saying, it makes you wonder how many jobs like accounting will be left when we enter the workforce.
It's also like in Mr. Fish's ppt, that teachers are training kids for jobs that don't even exist.

BrianC said...

It's intersting, and kind-of guiltifying, how the things that Pink talks about really aply to your own life. For example, how many things do you have in your house that were designed to look good instead of just working. I don't know if this is after chapter 3, but Pink talks about how things like a toaster are only used about 10% of the time. The other 90% of the time it just sits there. So, instead of something ugly that works well just sitting on the counter all day, I'd rather have somehting that not only works well, but adds something to the look of the room, kind-of like a little stulpture.

Louiseb said...

Maddie F- My mom teaches Kindergarten and when i told her about this book she was shocked too because almost all of what the kids do has a basic element of the right brain. It makes me wonder if we become more left brained as we get older or go through more school?

amyw said...

I once wanted to be a fashion designer because it's my passion, but my parents tried to get me away from that because it's really hard to make it in that career and it's not a "practical" job. Instead they encouraged me to be something else (like a lawyer). But now, with this book, it's like, who's laughing now?

amandah said...

Lia- It so crazy how fast new technology is produced. Sometimes I think about Fahrenheit 451 and other books and how technology is taking over and taking over peoples jobs and it makes you wonder whats going to happen in the future when technology has "taken Over"?

kristenw said...

nile i totaly agree do they realize that they are doing our jobs that we don't want for so much less money???

phoebef said...

nilec-it isnt fair that we get paid more to do the same jobs, but isnt that the point of outsorcing? if they paid people in inda the same amount they paid us they would loose money through shipping costs, etc. Why would companies outsorce if it was more expensive?

MollyS said...

I agree with you nicole, it is like when you are in math and ask, why does this work this way? And then your teachers are like, you dont know why you just need to know how to do it. Well I think that now our world has to rely on the why, because if we don't, then we are just being their own computers. Skills without meaning cannot matter in this new world, becuase those are the things that technology can handle.

nilec said...

If what daneil pink pink is saying is becomes reality, how will society in change in the future?

alyssas said...

Nile- I don't think it's necissarily fair, but that's just the way things are. The standards of living are so different in the U.S. and other countries, that unfair pay is part of business

amyw said...

louiseb I agree with you. I think that as we do more school they try to make us more left-brained with the standardized tests and all that.

caitlina said...

I agree with you Brian, I would totally want something that also looks good, and is functional. It makes you think of what value we make of things.

SerenaL said...

alexd, that is a really good point. Most kids only learn how to memorize vocab words. After the test, I forget almost everything. That is why we have to learn the same things over and over again. Because eventually, we will remember some of it because we have learned it so many times before.

Lukez said...

I think that there are a lot of ways that they learn but taking the test is just one of the ways that people measure how smart they are. I don't think that tests are a very good way of measuring some people, especially the right brained thinkers.

KatherineM said...

Nicole made a good point. Pretty soon, people won't even be needed to work at grocery stores. Machines are taking over jobs like that, so people are going to have to figure out different kinds of work to do.

meganu said...

(Megan)I believe that the future will be all about the right brain. Most people I know, if you asked them what they wanted to be when they get older, would say something that would be concidered a right brained job. I don't think any of my friends would say they wanted to be an accountant or some sort of surgeon or something. Most people I know would say they want to be some sort of designer or photographer or artist of some sort.

amandah said...

Nile I think it will be harder for people to get jobs because a lot of people will be competing for right brained jobs. And technology will be so far advanced.

alexd said...

Nile- I think that in the future there will obviously be much fewer jobs but not only that i think that the people with the abstract minds will be more successful over the previously "smart" people.

amyw said...

kristenw---they probably know but they don't care because to them, $15,000 a year is sooooo much money. They just want to be able to feed their kids and maybe even have a nice life with vacations and all that. So they probably know, but don't care.

Louiseb said...

People are talking about how machines are going to take over most peoples jobs but what happens when the machines break down? I think that people will always be needed even if it is just for fixing the machines that replaced them.

kristenw said...

nile-
thats a good question i think it will nearly change like everything we do

BrianC said...

Louis-
I think that we do become more left-brained as we get older though I think it's more through the circumstances and the teaching that we recieve makes use think more left-brained.

caitlina said...

I agree with Liz, if theres a style or a design in an object, then it is more likely to sell, because it appeals to people.

chelseas said...

I think that we are having to rise to the expectations of society. It appears, like what Javon is saying, that we still need both, and how can we decide what specific jobs we will need. Also, in the future what jobs will be around? Will something else be invented, where we won't need all of those jobs in Asia? I think that we need to certain things will be important in the future, but that we will still need BOTH the left AND the right brain thinkers.

amyw said...

brain I also agree with you. I'd rather have something that looks nice and works well than something that works well but is ugly. I think we use our right-brains to decide if we want to put something in our house more than we realize.

Liap said...

Amanda- I think that the economy will suffer for a while. I mean if machines take over a lot of jobs then people won't get enough money and won't buy as much and it could be another great depression.

Louise- I think it's possible that we get more left brained as we get older because the subjects that we take in school are centered around left brained activities, and we are trained to do well in school, so our left brains are used a lot more.

amandah said...

Louise thats a good point there will always be a need for someone to fix the machines that will break down. Is that job a right brained job?

alexd said...

Louise- I doubt that in the future will brake that much. I think that either way most of the jobs now are going to be eliminated.

maddief said...

You have a good point, Alex. Students have just become a number that determines how well we learn, and those numbers determine if we can go to college, or what jobs we can take. Scantron tests are only able to test left brain thinking, and those are the most common tests that are given at our school. We should have more creative kinds of test. Also, in Japan, grades are the most important aspects of kids' lives. When they're not in public school or doing homework, they're at cram school which prepares them for the best college. When kids are only taught to memorize facts in order to go to colleg, their creativity drops substantially. In order for kids' creativity to stay strong, there needs to be more right brain classes.

alyssas said...

Louise- I think that a part of that idea is that we will have people that continue trying to improve the machines and make them more functional so they don't break down. So some people might be able to keep there jobs in that aspect.

meganu said...

(stef)nilec- I think that Americans have such a high living standard that even though we think the jobs outsourced to Asia and India are unfair because the people are paid less our idea of high pay is different that their idea of high pay. If that makes sense. Their pay in that country is equivalent to the pay here.

nilec said...

Because computers will take over many of our jobs people will most likely compete for right brained thinking jobs. I think that could get pretty hectic having a majority of our population competing for a lot fewer jobs.

phoebef said...

megan-i disagree that most people want right brianed jobs. i think that people deffinitly consider careers in law, medicine, and technology, becasue thats whats considered the "exceptable" careers.

kristenw said...

amy-
true but still do they care at all that there being like scammed out of like triple there pay just because they live in a different country its like racist

MollyS said...

nile, its not fair if you look at the numbers, but looking at the ratio of the average amount of money people make overseas to how much they are being paid, then it makes more sense. A job isn't worth the amount of dollars, it is worth a amount that fits into the economy of the country.

amyw said...

louiseb I think they're starting to make the machines more fool-proof so they break down less, and they're always improving them. So who knows one day we might not even need people to fix machines because they'll have been made flawlessly.

amandah said...

Lia thats a good connection.

chelseas said...

I think that some to the jobs are already combined, like Jose is saying. For example, architects. They not only have to design the project, but also the mathematics. They are using the left side of the brain and the right side of the brain.

Lukez said...

amyw - I think that its interesting to think of what we would do if we had an ugly looking item that works perfectly or a nicely designed item that doesn't work nearly as well?

kristenw said...

nile-
but with all the new technologies and inventions there will be new jobs created so hopefully the two will balance each other out

amyw said...

kristen I don't really know. Because although they're happy with their "high pay", they might feel discriminated against. Or maybe the companies that give them the jobs kind of "pull the wool over their eyes." I don't really know. Good point.

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SerenaL said...

chelsea, I don't really think we have to be the top, because it would be easier to work together. If Indian's come to America to work as like engineers or something, then we can work with them because they have different ideas because they were raised with a different life style in a different society. And if they are all coming here, then we should go to India and get jobs there. Besides, they are almost the most english speaking country.

amandah said...

I agree with nile it will be very hectic when it comes to competing for jobs.

caitlina said...

This future could be really hard on left brained thinkers, because if their jobs are outsourced they'd have to switch over to right thinking jobs. I mean what if they can't do it? It's like Darwin's theory of survival of the fttest, who will survive?

Louiseb said...

Chelsea S. I agree with you. There are many jobs that are a combination of both the left and the right brain and i dont think that those jobs could be eliminated by machines or computers.

alyssas said...

Do you think that the U.S. is most advanced in the development of right-brain thinking, or do you think there are other countries that are ahead of us?

meganu said...

(megan)Going back to what I was saying earlier, there are a lot of people who do want to be engineers and accountants, etc. The problem with that, however, is that the U.S. has hired numerous people from other countries to do those jobs because they don't have to be paid as much. This makes the left brained thinkers, who want left brained jobs, have less of a chance to get that job.


stef- The inner group is talking about creativity being singular to America. I don't think that the issue is whether creativity can be outsourced. I think that in order to survive in the 'conceptual age' it is more of a contest of which country or business can be the most creative.

kristenw said...

amy ya thats what im wondering if they even know at all that they are just taking the jobs we dont want

BrianC said...

On the topic of computers taking over jobs, do you think that in the distant future someone will collect all the signs of emotions and characteristics that make use human and program it into a computer so that, not only will computers be able to do left-brained tasks, but do rigt-brained thing as well? Or are ideals and enjoyments changing too rapidly and to drasticly?

amyw said...

Lukez that is interesting. Mostly because people look for aesthetically pleasing things, they might just turn a blind eye to something that looks nice but doesn't work as well. Interesting point. Because if it looks nice, who cares if it doesn't work well?

maddief said...

Serena, I think that schools still lean more towards left brain thinking. They do have some right brain classes, but I think that they should have more creative classes.

Also, I want to become a writer when I grow up, but I never thought that it would be a practical career choice. Now that the number of left brain jobs is decreasing in the U.S., does that mean that right brain jobs will pay more than they do now?

Lukez said...

kristen - There may be a lot of people that don't want the jobs that are being outsource. But there are still a lot of people in the United States that could use the jobs that are being taken by others.

phoebef said...

brainc-i think it is very possible and probable that in the future a machine with emotions, and expression will be invented. There is a book titled Shades Children in which there is a human personality, brain, and memory inside a computer. Technology today has gotten to the point that people kind of already live through machines. for instance in medicine people are kept alive by machines alone, why not make a "living" machine?

amandah said...

Caitlina- I think it will be hard for left brained thinkers to make the switch over to the way of right brained thinking but like Nicole is saying the inner cirle there is a need of both sides of the brain thinking.

KatherineM said...

Phoebe-I agree with you. I think some people do want jobs in law, medicince, and technology. As you said, they are "exceptable" careers, and also, some people really enjoy those jobs.

Kristen-As Stef said in a previous comment, we have a higher standadrd of living in America than most other countries. I see how foreign workers making less money could seem unfair, but people in other countries seem happy and willing to do the jobs, and I think Pink mentioned that these workers are more upper class where they live, because of these jobs.

SerenaL said...

brian- I kind of disagree with the toaster thing. If you are only using it 10% of the time, why waste the money on something expensive when you can just get one that works okay and hide it in a cabinet the rest of the time. Maybe that is just me, but then again I am a broke, underpaid teen so I do what ever I can to save money.

alyssas said...

Serena- I think right-brain jobs will pay more in the future, because it seems that everything is kind of switching around, so I think that left-brain jobs will become secondary and right-brain jobs will become primary.

chelseas said...

Louise B. I agree about the fact that we will still need the humans to do certain things, too. Technology can't do everything. Anyway, we, as the humans, are the ones who created and invented the technology.

caitlina said...

brian- that would be crazy if computers took on emotions too, they would probably then be the ones that ffelt things for us.

Amy- I agree with the wool, what are companies telling the employees?

Louiseb said...

Maddie F- I dont think that right brain jobs will pay more as left brain jobs decrease, but they will become more desireable. If there are less left brain jobs then everyone would want the right brain jobs making them hard to get.

amyw said...

I don't know, brianc. I was thinking about this as well while I was reading. What will happen if computers master right-brain abilities? Fifty years ago no one ever dreamed that computers could do all the calculations and stuff they can do now. What if say, fifty years from now, computers can be right-brained? I mean, we'd never even dream that this could happen now even though it could.

meganu said...

(stef) alyssas- I think that America teaches creativity well but I think that we are playing catch-up with Japan. They are far ahead of us with left and right brian knowledge

(megan)Listening to the inner circle, I agree with Molly. Not everyone is a right brained thinker but you do have to get enough credits in the art aspect to graduate high school. But as Jose said, everyone has at least a little bit of an artistic side, everyone has the ability to draw or sing, even if its not very good.

maddief said...

I agree with what Caitlin said, how will left brainers fare if they lose their jobs and have to take on right brain jobs?

amyw said...

Caitlia maybe the companies just don't tell them. Maybe the jobs just appear and none of the Asian people know why. Maybe they're just oblivious to the fact that they're taking our unwanted jobs because they do them cheaper.

amandah said...

clara made a good point in the inner circle we should be able to take classes that can help us make our way to our careers.

caitlina said...

Maddie- if the right thinking brained jobs are paid more in the future after left brained jobs are zeroed, then even the simple jobs like frosting cakes, could be a career.

kristenw said...

steph and katherine-

ya but if i were them i would be offended that i was givin less money for doing the same job just because i live in a different country

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alyssas said...

Amanda H- I think a lot of students do that anyway. They choose electives that are related to a subject that they like, which they would probably like to pursue a carreer in that subject.

caitlina said...

Talking about computers, this reminds me of Mr. Fish's video, how computers will soon, be more powerful than the human mind. It's amazing to think that someday we could be thinking things slower than computers.

maddief said...

Brian, I don't think that it is possible for a machine to feel emotions. It could certainly store memories, but I don't think that it would be able to react to those emotions through feelings. I think that emotions are what make us human.

amyw said...

Chelseas I agree because I don't like sports either. In fact, I'm bad at them. Ms. Smith says they're having us try something new, but I think if we've already tried it and don't like it, why should we have to do it?

KatherineM said...

I think kids should explore both kinds of classes-p.e. classes and artisitc classes. I agree with Chelsea. I don't really sports, but I'm not very artisitc either, but I think it's important to try everything out. Although, kids should take these classes, I'm not sure if I like the idea that there's a set number of credits needed.

kristenw said...

omg dubai is amazing they have like the most amazing structures ive ever seen they made there own island in the shape of the world check it out online go to google and type in dubai its sweet

Louiseb said...

Caitlin A- I was thinking that too. It seems really wierd to me that something that the human mind created will someday be smarter than the creater.

phoebef said...

alyssa-i agree that people choose electives that they enjoy, but not that will nessicarilly help them in their later career choice. For instance im very involved in our band program here, but i dont intend on having a career in music. Also i dont think alot of people know what they want to do later in life.

nilec said...

chelseas- well if none of that is your strong points then schools should have a way for you to express yourself. schools are way to limited to what you HAVE to do.

amandah said...

alyssas-
but you may not have time to complete the required credits if you take the classes that help you with your career or vis versa. But I do know what you mean.

BrianC said...

Serena-
My response to that is that, if you do that witht he toaster, why not do it with everything? The mirowave, the oven, the couch, even things that it's impossible to do that with like the whole house. I'm just saying, everyone wants to look good whether it's looking rich or important or intelligent, everyone wants to look like they can do someting and most people do that by filling their house with art and things that reflect their image. So, why not combine practicality with expression? Now do you see why Design is so important?

Lukez said...

Kristen - I think that they had to be paid less money for doing the jobs. If they wanted the same amount of money as the people in America then the jobs would not have ever been offered to them. They would have just left the jobs in America and they would not be able to have those jobs.

nilec said...

chelseas- well if none of that is your strong points then schools should have a way for you to express yourself. schools are way to limited to what you HAVE to do.

MollyS said...

kristen- what is it exactly

SerenaL said...

I'm not sure who brought this up first but just on the subject.. Is it possible for a computer to feel emotion? It can only do what you program it to, which would probably could be very human like but it would still just be programming. I'm not much of a computer person (well that's a lie but what ever) but you could probably program a computer to read facial expressions and teach it to respond a certain way. Like if you are frowning, then you could make it ask if something is wrong, or for it to say sorry. But it isn't really feeling bad, it is reading computer code and doing what it is supposed to do. (this is talking like 10 years from now unless the government has already made a program to)

meganu said...

stef- the outer circle is talking about all the credits we have to take. I understand both sides of the situation. Everyone needs to be exposed to all classes to understand what they like and dislike. I realize that I was not built for sports unless I enjoy inflicting pain on myself and those around me. But exerise is good and learning how to be part of a team is the important part of P.E credits.

(megan)I think there has to be a balance between the right and left brained thinkers. Like Liz was saying, that building couldn't be built without architects and designers working together. Architects could build it but it wouldn't look good. Designers could make it look good but it probably wouldn't stay standing. Together, however, they could make the tallest building in the world.

amyw said...

Even though I like technology, it's just scary that computers will soon be more powerful than the human mind. Doesn't that scare anyone else?

caitlina said...

Amy I agree. Its just like some of the things we learn in school, I wonder if I will ever use those skills out in the real world. Just like some of the sports, I don't think I will ever become a professional at some of them.

chelseas said...

I do think that people tend to take electives that they like, or that they are thinking of pursuing a club in. I think that many colleges are looking at different things now adays. They might think that you are not capable just becuase you do not do any sports, or arts. I think that if colleges want that, then we should be given more time to do homework, art, sports, and community services.

amandah said...

I agree with Kristen Dubai is an amazing place.

alexd said...

Amy- That scares me too!

alyssas said...

Amy- It definitly scares me. People have always been smarter than computers, but now we are putting every type of technology that we can think of into computers and now that they contain all of those technologies, they will exceed human capabilities.

KatherineM said...

Amy, that scares me too. It seems like some sort of science fiction movie, where computers and machines are more intelligent and powerful than human beings.

phoebef said...

maddief-i agree that what makes us human is our emotions, but isnt it also our minds? if you told someone 100 years ago it was possible that humans could create something that was much, much, smarter than the human race, would they believe you? so whats the difference now?

kristenw said...

brain-
true true


molly-
its like this place in asia that builds all these amazing structures its insane mr bonnel showed us it or maybe it was mr green but ya its cool look it up

Liap said...

Amy- That is really scary. It doesn't seem right to make a computer that is smarter than us. At that point we don't have anything that makes us special, except for the fact that we die.

Louiseb said...

Amy- if deffinitly scares me. I dont really like to think that something that the human mind created will become more powerful than the human mind. Another thing is how powerful will technology become with more time?

amandah said...

Amy that scares me too!

MollyS said...

keisten- is it a country? or just a city?

maddief said...

Ha, yeah, Chelsea, I hate sports too. And Amy, I agree, if we try something and don't like it, then why should we keep doing it? I think that Mr. Pink is encouraging us to pursue jobs that we would enjoy, so why shouldn't we just concentrate on those jobs? I still think that it is important to have a balance of left and brain classes, but what about taking extra courses that will help you get your dream job?

BrianC said...

Maddie-
For an answer, I'll use what Pheobe said a little earlier, that people didn't think that computers could do anything that they can do now. So, why not in 200 years, someone finds a pattern in the trends and feelings and create a computer that can feel emotions.
I'd like to change the Star Wars introduction from "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away." to "A long time ahead in our galaxy not far away."

kristenw said...

amanda-
i know its sweet one of my life goals is to go there some time

amyw said...

katherinem that's a good comparison. The world is like a sci-fi movie now, or it's becoming one.

lizc said...

Kristen- Go Dubai! I could study that place forever. It is so amazing!!!

meganu said...

(stef)
serenal- i do not think that computers can feel emotion. The point of the chapter including Automation is the fact that computers can only do the work that is a step by step routine. Emotion is unopredictable and cannot be created step by step. That's how human stay in the workforce. By adding that element of empathy and human emotion.

(megan)I agree with Nicole. Unless a teacher says what they're talking about will be on a test, most people will just tune out because they don't think they need to learn whatever the teacher was talking about, just because it's not on a test.

alyssas said...

Louise- I think technology will just become more powerful because everything we learn is transferred into new technology.

kristenw said...

molly-
ummm im not possitive ask liz

amyw said...

Everyone who's asking: Dubai is a city, and it's in a country called United Arab Emirates. (Thank you, Google!)

amandah said...

Kristen- I want to go there someday too. Leslie Logan's grandma went there just a while back

nilec said...

i agree with nicoele, i think that without being able to adapt and be capable to do more than just one job. that would help everyone get through life without depending on one aspect of work.

kristenw said...

liz-
i know i want to go there some day just to say iv been there

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