In both 1984 and F451, there is hardly any love in the distopia. There is no love between parents and children. Children turn on their parents and teachers. The youth have become in control of their elders. Also, there is no longer love in marriages and relationships. The relationship between to unmarried people is only for lust, there is no love involved. In marriages, love has disappeared also. People are together simply because it's the thing to do. Their government requires the generations to go on so they set two people together. Any sort of love that is experienced is shot down and almost completely destroyed.
I see a huge connection between 1984 and F451. There is no love between husbands and wives and children and parents. I think that this is because in both books there is a strong governing force. The government controls all aspects of life and love is an emotion that cannot be controlled. Montag felt no connection to his wife just as Winston feels no connection to his wife. In both books the children are beasts to the parents and the parents acutally fear their own children!
I don't know if the portrayal of love in the literature we've read this year. In 1984, love is shown as a way of free-thinking and rebellion, something that the government is trying to suppress. But in The Pedestrian, F451, and Lord of the Flies, there is an absence of love. So I guess you could say they are similar because the government, or in the case of Lord of the Flies the boy's tribe rules they set up, they had already suppresed love.
As we were disscussing in the fishbowl today, I saw a connection between 1984 and F451, as many other people have noticed. In both socities, the government controls every aspect of the citizens' lives, giving them power to control the people's affection. In both novels, people have a false sense of love, because they have never expierenced love before. The only true sense of love I have noticed in the books, is that people who show actually love, like Winston's parents are the main chaaracters who challenge the system.
I agree with everyone else who posted above me. There is a huge relation between 1984 and 451 because of the work environment, the role of the government, and the existence, or lack there of relationships. In 1984 they don't really know what love is. People learn their basic social skills as a childhood and learn love from their parents and friends. Because no one remembers the past, love is sort of nonexistent. Most people don't really know what it is. Love is a concept that Big Brother cannot control which is why it is being eliminated and controlled. In 451, Montag does not care for his wife and admits that he wouldn't care if she died, which proves a lack of relationship.
In 1984 and in F451 there is hardlly any love invoved. In our conversation in class today we talked about how there were people who were married and they never really love eachother. Montag and Mildred didn't love eaachother and ended up seprated and in 1984 Winston and Katherine are seperated. There reallly isn't any love present in these books.
I would defintitly compare the love in this book to the love in f451. In both these books there is not really true love. The main character's in the books don't even really know what true love is because the governments have wiped out their knowledge of what love is.
I think love in 1984 is very similar to love in 451. Both books contian characters who dont really know what love is. And both Montag and Winston are searching for love. The difference between 1984 and LOF is that that the kids in LOF aren't too concerned about love, but more about surviving.
Alrighty then, since no one has posted about Macbeth yet, I'll take the first shot at it.
Macbeth and Lady Macbeth and Winston and Julia sorta have the whole female dominance thing going on, with Lady Macbeth spurring on her husband's murderous ways, while Julia seems to be making most of the decisions in her relationship with Winston. Another common link between these two pairs of lovers is that they both portray two contaminated versions of love. In Macbeth, Lady Macbeth uses the trust that her husband has in her to kill their way to the top. In '84, Julia and Winston don’t really show "true love," because their relationship is mostly made up of lust, and neither really have any commitment to each other.
Love in 1984 is very similar to that of Fahreheit 451 while compared to The Chosen, LOF and, haha, even A Whole New Mind, it is very different. In 451 the all powerful society looked down on love in a way, after all marriages we not intended to be based on love but just as long as they existed they we're just as the society wanted. In The Chosen however, love is something that is encouraged and smiled upon. The characters respect that love is necessary and wonderful, unlike 1984 and 451 whom just look upon love as something wrong.
It seems like in all the other novels we have read, love has had some kind of restriction on it. In Macbeth thier love is unclean because of the blood on thier hands. In LOF the love the boys have is in the form of lust for animals and other sick things. In The Chosen, the love relationship between Danny and his father is restricted because of the ways they think. Lastly, in 451 there is no such thing as true love. The people are thrown into relationships for the sake of having relationships. They don't even love thier kids! In all the books we read, love seems to be tainted in some kind of way because of the society or actions of the characters.
I think that all of the books we have read this year all share the common idea that love is an easy thing to succeed at. For example, in F451 the love that is portrayed is very limited in terms of how it is shown. In F451 as well as 1984, love is portrayed as something casual that does not take a lot of effort to acheive. These veiws of love are very distorted and shallow to what most people would think of love as being.
As opposed to other novels we've read, the love in 1984 is much more graphic and superficial, with a lot of reference and emphasis put on the physical and sexual aspects of love, rather than the emotional aspects shown in books such as Fahrenheit 451. This change is mainly to explore the theme of government control.
I think 1984 relates most to love in F451 because neither really has love as a true loving of another person. The communities seem to define love as a marriage between two people that has no emotional feelings behind it and are supposed to reproduce children in almost a mechanical, non-loving form. I think all the books we have read kind of had distorted images of love in Lord of the Flies I think that the island possibly affected no love too because it was an all boy island so when they got back home safely I think love might have changed for them too.
Well in both 1894 and F451 people in the societies don't realize what love is. The main characters notice how their lives are missing something. The government does not want people to experience love because it can lead to rebellion.
I think that love in 1984 is similar to love in F451. In both societies, marrige is something that is just expected to happen, and there is no love for family, or in relationships, only a sense of obligation. The love in The Chosen was the only book we've read where the idea of love makes sense to me. It is the true love between friends and family. In Macbeth and LOTF, the idea of love is completely obolished and everyone gives in to more primitive survival instincts.
I think that love in 1984 is similar to love in several of the books we’ve read already. I think that it is especially like love in Fahrenheit 451. It is similar in these two because in both books, nobody really knows what love is. They see it how the government wants them to see it, and that’s not the way that it truly is. I think that love in 1984 has some similarities to love in Macbeth because both have lovers that push them to do things. Katherine pushed Winston to perform the “duty to the party” and Lady Macbeth pushed Macbeth to do a number of things.
In 1984, the love is like the kind in F451 becasue they don't "Love" each other in the sense of real love, and it is also like Macbeth, where they don't "love" each other. They have "sexual relationships" where they don't really love each other, they just lust for each other, or do their "duty for the party".
In 1984 love is seen as something that isnt acceptable in society. it is frowned upon by the government and others, because that is what the people are taught to believe. In Macbeth we see the opposite when Macbeth is so violent and un-passionate for others. Yet he and lady macbeth still put on the facade of loving eachother and others.
The Love in Farenheit 451 is much different than the love in 1984. In 451 Montag and Mildred's relationship doesn't seem to include love. They are more mutual than anything. They don't care for each other's company, and are willing to call the firehouse on one of them. In 1984, it seems as if the girl and Winston would never even think of calling the police on one another, because they have both gone against the party by passing notes. Winston seems to care about the girl, and the girl seems to care about Winston, because she admits that she loves him. Already their relationship, however far it may take them, seems to be pretty deep, unlike Montag and Mildred's relationship.
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In both 1984 and F451, there is hardly any love in the distopia. There is no love between parents and children. Children turn on their parents and teachers. The youth have become in control of their elders. Also, there is no longer love in marriages and relationships. The relationship between to unmarried people is only for lust, there is no love involved. In marriages, love has disappeared also. People are together simply because it's the thing to do. Their government requires the generations to go on so they set two people together. Any sort of love that is experienced is shot down and almost completely destroyed.
I see a huge connection between 1984 and F451. There is no love between husbands and wives and children and parents. I think that this is because in both books there is a strong governing force. The government controls all aspects of life and love is an emotion that cannot be controlled. Montag felt no connection to his wife just as Winston feels no connection to his wife. In both books the children are beasts to the parents and the parents acutally fear their own children!
I don't know if the portrayal of love in the literature we've read this year. In 1984, love is shown as a way of free-thinking and rebellion, something that the government is trying to suppress. But in The Pedestrian, F451, and Lord of the Flies, there is an absence of love. So I guess you could say they are similar because the government, or in the case of Lord of the Flies the boy's tribe rules they set up, they had already suppresed love.
As we were disscussing in the fishbowl today, I saw a connection between 1984 and F451, as many other people have noticed. In both socities, the government controls every aspect of the citizens' lives, giving them power to control the people's affection. In both novels, people have a false sense of love, because they have never expierenced love before. The only true sense of love I have noticed in the books, is that people who show actually love, like Winston's parents are the main chaaracters who challenge the system.
I agree with everyone else who posted above me. There is a huge relation between 1984 and 451 because of the work environment, the role of the government, and the existence, or lack there of relationships. In 1984 they don't really know what love is. People learn their basic social skills as a childhood and learn love from their parents and friends. Because no one remembers the past, love is sort of nonexistent. Most people don't really know what it is. Love is a concept that Big Brother cannot control which is why it is being eliminated and controlled. In 451, Montag does not care for his wife and admits that he wouldn't care if she died, which proves a lack of relationship.
In 1984 and in F451 there is hardlly any love invoved. In our conversation in class today we talked about how there were people who were married and they never really love eachother. Montag and Mildred didn't love eaachother and ended up seprated and in 1984 Winston and Katherine are seperated. There reallly isn't any love present in these books.
I would defintitly compare the love in this book to the love in f451. In both these books there is not really true love. The main character's in the books don't even really know what true love is because the governments have wiped out their knowledge of what love is.
I think love in 1984 is very similar to love in 451. Both books contian characters who dont really know what love is. And both Montag and Winston are searching for love. The difference between 1984 and LOF is that that the kids in LOF aren't too concerned about love, but more about surviving.
Alrighty then, since no one has posted about Macbeth yet, I'll take the first shot at it.
Macbeth and Lady Macbeth and Winston and Julia sorta have the whole female dominance thing going on, with Lady Macbeth spurring on her husband's murderous ways, while Julia seems to be making most of the decisions in her relationship with Winston. Another common link between these two pairs of lovers is that they both portray two contaminated versions of love. In Macbeth, Lady Macbeth uses the trust that her husband has in her to kill their way to the top. In '84, Julia and Winston don’t really show "true love," because their relationship is mostly made up of lust, and neither really have any commitment to each other.
Love in 1984 is very similar to that of Fahreheit 451 while compared to The Chosen, LOF and, haha, even A Whole New Mind, it is very different. In 451 the all powerful society looked down on love in a way, after all marriages we not intended to be based on love but just as long as they existed they we're just as the society wanted. In The Chosen however, love is something that is encouraged and smiled upon. The characters respect that love is necessary and wonderful, unlike 1984 and 451 whom just look upon love as something wrong.
It seems like in all the other novels we have read, love has had some kind of restriction on it. In Macbeth thier love is unclean because of the blood on thier hands. In LOF the love the boys have is in the form of lust for animals and other sick things. In The Chosen, the love relationship between Danny and his father is restricted because of the ways they think. Lastly, in 451 there is no such thing as true love. The people are thrown into relationships for the sake of having relationships. They don't even love thier kids! In all the books we read, love seems to be tainted in some kind of way because of the society or actions of the characters.
I think that all of the books we have read this year all share the common idea that love is an easy thing to succeed at. For example, in F451 the love that is portrayed is very limited in terms of how it is shown. In F451 as well as 1984, love is portrayed as something casual that does not take a lot of effort to acheive. These veiws of love are very distorted and shallow to what most people would think of love as being.
As opposed to other novels we've read, the love in 1984 is much more graphic and superficial, with a lot of reference and emphasis put on the physical and sexual aspects of love, rather than the emotional aspects shown in books such as Fahrenheit 451. This change is mainly to explore the theme of government control.
I think 1984 relates most to love in F451 because neither really has love as a true loving of another person. The communities seem to define love as a marriage between two people that has no emotional feelings behind it and are supposed to reproduce children in almost a mechanical, non-loving form. I think all the books we have read kind of had distorted images of love in Lord of the Flies I think that the island possibly affected no love too because it was an all boy island so when they got back home safely I think love might have changed for them too.
Well in both 1894 and F451 people in the societies don't realize what love is. The main characters notice how their lives are missing something. The government does not want people to experience love because it can lead to rebellion.
I think that love in 1984 is similar to love in F451. In both societies, marrige is something that is just expected to happen, and there is no love for family, or in relationships, only a sense of obligation. The love in The Chosen was the only book we've read where the idea of love makes sense to me. It is the true love between friends and family. In Macbeth and LOTF, the idea of love is completely obolished and everyone gives in to more primitive survival instincts.
I think that love in 1984 is similar to love in several of the books we’ve read already. I think that it is especially like love in Fahrenheit 451. It is similar in these two because in both books, nobody really knows what love is. They see it how the government wants them to see it, and that’s not the way that it truly is. I think that love in 1984 has some similarities to love in Macbeth because both have lovers that push them to do things. Katherine pushed Winston to perform the “duty to the party” and Lady Macbeth pushed Macbeth to do a number of things.
In 1984, the love is like the kind in F451 becasue they don't "Love" each other in the sense of real love, and it is also like Macbeth, where they don't "love" each other. They have "sexual relationships" where they don't really love each other, they just lust for each other, or do their "duty for the party".
In 1984 love is seen as something that isnt acceptable in society. it is frowned upon by the government and others, because that is what the people are taught to believe. In Macbeth we see the opposite when Macbeth is so violent and un-passionate for others. Yet he and lady macbeth still put on the facade of loving eachother and others.
The Love in Farenheit 451 is much different than the love in 1984. In 451 Montag and Mildred's relationship doesn't seem to include love. They are more mutual than anything. They don't care for each other's company, and are willing to call the firehouse on one of them. In 1984, it seems as if the girl and Winston would never even think of calling the police on one another, because they have both gone against the party by passing notes. Winston seems to care about the girl, and the girl seems to care about Winston, because she admits that she loves him. Already their relationship, however far it may take them, seems to be pretty deep, unlike Montag and Mildred's relationship.
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