tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post8745324125925392842..comments2023-11-05T01:15:43.435-07:00Comments on Smith 9H 07-08: Fahrenheit 451 Fishbowl 113-136-period 5anneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00573450327737964454noreply@blogger.comBlogger147125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-31077283268341585202007-11-05T20:33:00.000-07:002007-11-05T20:33:00.000-07:00maddisonm- No, Montag is not a hero in the society...maddisonm- No, Montag is not a hero in the society. In fact, he is probably hated by many people for killing a fire chief. Most people in society don't care much about anything but watching the parlor walls. So, Montag may have become a well liked TV character, but nothing more.mitchshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413306601231445919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-21502367056081817282007-11-05T20:25:00.000-07:002007-11-05T20:25:00.000-07:00Maddieh- It took three alarms for Beatty to go to ...Maddieh- It took three alarms for Beatty to go to burn Montag's house because Mildred was the third alarm. Beatty was waiting for Mildred to call so that he could demoralize Montag by telling him that it was his own wife that turned him over to the firemen.mitchshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413306601231445919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-33150850940193402292007-11-05T20:23:00.000-07:002007-11-05T20:23:00.000-07:00morgant- Mildred left Montag's house in a taxi rig...morgant- Mildred left Montag's house in a taxi right before Beatty made him start lighting all of it on fire. She is probably holed up in some hotel until she can find some other husband to mooch off of.mitchshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413306601231445919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-61051508339399956592007-11-05T20:19:00.000-07:002007-11-05T20:19:00.000-07:00alexf- Yes, Montag will probably find the Harvard ...alexf- Yes, Montag will probably find the Harvard grads scattered along the railroads, but there will be no way to know whether or not to trust them. Maybe the Harvard grads aren't actually Harvard grads, but government spies, looking to weed out the readers and free thinkers of society.mitchshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413306601231445919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-3771728938842790252007-11-05T20:15:00.000-07:002007-11-05T20:15:00.000-07:00Jordanh- I think that Beatty wanted to die because...Jordanh- I think that Beatty wanted to die because he actually felt that Montag was right, and that books should be brought back, but he didn't want to have to fight for it. He was afraid of what people would think of him, and being unhappy, so he pretty much forced Montag to kill him.mitchshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413306601231445919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-51872402054617041652007-11-05T20:12:00.000-07:002007-11-05T20:12:00.000-07:00morgant- The only person Montag can really trust i...morgant- The only person Montag can really trust is Faber, everyone else has been corrupted by the government and are more concerned about the TV than anything else. Montag can't even really trust Faber, because Faber is such a coward. Faber could tell Montag to do something that might end up getting him killed, but Faber is Montag's last resort right now.mitchshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413306601231445919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-44820808327790404092007-11-05T20:10:00.000-07:002007-11-05T20:10:00.000-07:00morgant- I also liked the quote about Montag burni...morgant- I also liked the quote about Montag burning Beatty. He took what the advice Beatty gave him and used it on Beatty. He was a problem, so he dealt with it and burned it. It's kind of ironic that what Beatty told Montag eventually killed him.mitchshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413306601231445919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-80253425392563058382007-11-02T13:12:00.002-06:002007-11-02T13:12:00.002-06:00Do you think Montag is almost a hero in the societ...Do you think Montag is almost a hero in the society? If not him is anyone?maddisonmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00862713666232622303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-83024030316240834652007-11-02T13:12:00.001-06:002007-11-02T13:12:00.001-06:00whitney- I never said that learning wasn't importa...whitney- I never said that learning wasn't important i said that there is still so much to learn for everybody.Ryadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518319620437884931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-32746292982441870172007-11-02T13:12:00.000-06:002007-11-02T13:12:00.000-06:00have a nice day everyone!have a nice day everyone!leslielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10389957516533398675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-78349264735600037752007-11-02T13:11:00.003-06:002007-11-02T13:11:00.003-06:00mattw- They don't really get to know eachother in...mattw- They don't really get to know eachother in their "bottleS" but yes they only get to know the people right next to them. Oh, and yes, te society has eliminated ALL sense of feeling. Thye take this drug, SOMA, to feel "happy," just like te sleeping pillsalexfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00945327406690770767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-17874875753521119512007-11-02T13:11:00.002-06:002007-11-02T13:11:00.002-06:00ryad - I disagree, I believe that no matter how ol...ryad - I disagree, I believe that no matter how old you are you always can learn. I believe learning is completely necessary to live life. The people in this book don't learn, and look how they live.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-66023965904154087422007-11-02T13:11:00.001-06:002007-11-02T13:11:00.001-06:00mattf- I have a hard time imagining a place withou...mattf- I have a hard time imagining a place without education but if it did happen the only thing to live for is entertainment which Beatty says is all that the people really want.Ryadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518319620437884931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-59524067225221026232007-11-02T13:11:00.000-06:002007-11-02T13:11:00.000-06:00whitneys- beatty is a wierd character and i find h...whitneys- beatty is a wierd character and i find him reminiscent of simon in LOF. some characters are made confusing for a reason, and what better character to do this to than Beatty- the head of the very thing Montag is trying to take down...jordanhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12300095942426752031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-76668935516535448422007-11-02T13:10:00.003-06:002007-11-02T13:10:00.003-06:00alex- They are EXTREMELY different. Clarisse asks ...alex- They are EXTREMELY different. Clarisse asks questions, Mildred goes with the flow. Clarisse doesn't like TV that much, Mildred is hooked on it. So, it kind of relates to wanting certain material things. Clarisse also asked about Montag and his job, and prompted thoughts...whick is allowing him to challenge the system.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132707806728429150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-15402705487517871632007-11-02T13:10:00.002-06:002007-11-02T13:10:00.002-06:00Whitneys, its seems as though Beatty definitely ha...Whitneys, its seems as though Beatty definitely has some hidden history. Do you think the book is ever going to answer it?leslielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10389957516533398675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-1072237071619067582007-11-02T13:10:00.001-06:002007-11-02T13:10:00.001-06:00maddisonm,I talked about this in discussion with H...maddisonm,<BR/><BR/>I talked about this in discussion with Hannah last week i think..<BR/>One person can challenge the system but they need people to help them and believe in them before they can truly make a difference. I think others have tried to fight back but they didn't have the neccesary support. If Montag finds these people and unites them though....we may get quite the outcomeLaurenchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12054801168706576090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-14782598696853318882007-11-02T13:10:00.000-06:002007-11-02T13:10:00.000-06:00alexf- i agree it is almost like Brave New World i...alexf- i agree it is almost like Brave New World is like a different version of this type of society in which the government puts a limit on what the society knows. Like with that whole idea of shocking the kids!!! I thought that was weird.maddisonmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00862713666232622303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-35725818534205156332007-11-02T13:09:00.007-06:002007-11-02T13:09:00.007-06:00Ryad- do you really think education will ever beco...Ryad- do you really think education will ever become obsolete? If this were to happen, would there even be a point in living?mattfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06638278517765346046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-26874212286793223172007-11-02T13:09:00.006-06:002007-11-02T13:09:00.006-06:00Ashley (in the circle)-I love that quote. "Creatio...Ashley (in the circle)-<BR/>I love that quote. "Creation is the opposite of war." How do you guys think that relates to 451?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-73244665377488651992007-11-02T13:09:00.005-06:002007-11-02T13:09:00.005-06:00so whats your desicion??????so whats your desicion??????Tylerg!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04091312202700002471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-34269020461933500432007-11-02T13:09:00.004-06:002007-11-02T13:09:00.004-06:00morgant, i agree. i just keep having this feeling ...morgant, i agree. i just keep having this feeling that the focus point is on montag while the rest of the world, or the picture behind the focus is completely at war and i worry that that may come back to influence the storyleslielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10389957516533398675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-72119146623134365462007-11-02T13:09:00.003-06:002007-11-02T13:09:00.003-06:00mattf - I am wondering about Beatty too. Because ...mattf - I am wondering about Beatty too. Because I am not sure about if he wanted to die or not. Like the inner circle said; maybe He had read so much about thoughts and yet he didn't think that he could, or it could be that he didn't think Montag would ever kill him. I don't know. Beatty is a really confusing character...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-47240901367701003642007-11-02T13:09:00.002-06:002007-11-02T13:09:00.002-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tylerg!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04091312202700002471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-46102711847114615892007-11-02T13:09:00.001-06:002007-11-02T13:09:00.001-06:00good point george 2good point george 2Tylerg!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04091312202700002471noreply@blogger.com