tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post5277643444794387774..comments2023-11-05T01:15:43.435-07:00Comments on Smith 9H 07-08: Fahrenheit 451 Fishbowl 136-165-period 5anneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00573450327737964454noreply@blogger.comBlogger163125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-62015450643978367142007-11-06T21:44:00.000-07:002007-11-06T21:44:00.000-07:00jordanh- actually, to best of my knowledge, we're ...jordanh- actually, to best of my knowledge, we're actually fighting certain groups who are killing Iraqi citizens, but I'm not sure about how they feel about us, and it's unfair to claim you know. The sad truth is that the Middle East is destroying itself, and would do so even without our "help". But no, I don't think the terrorists had anything to do with Iraq, that's just happens to be were are centered. There's a line between helping somebody and doing things for them, and it's hard to decide what side of the line we are on.mattwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08171037541515742511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-69600352609168495722007-11-06T12:39:00.000-07:002007-11-06T12:39:00.000-07:00laurenc-by going to war with them???laurenc-by going to war with them???jordanhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12300095942426752031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-12126458194052467062007-11-05T13:12:00.001-07:002007-11-05T13:12:00.001-07:00jordanh - we are trying to help their people becom...jordanh - we are trying to help their people become stable on their ownLaurenchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12054801168706576090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-12502064990512575282007-11-05T13:12:00.000-07:002007-11-05T13:12:00.000-07:00laurenc-we help iraq yet we are at war with them??...laurenc-we help iraq yet we are at war with them????<BR/>tylerg- you flea to another place-iraq, and they get the war in their housejordanhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12300095942426752031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-59702792134733675932007-11-05T13:11:00.001-07:002007-11-05T13:11:00.001-07:00Yeah alexf, Beatty even said that the community de...Yeah alexf, Beatty even said that the community descided not to purchase books anymore. The government may not be as bad as we are making it out to be.melissazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16884058721407885822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-70536631041394536612007-11-05T13:11:00.000-07:002007-11-05T13:11:00.000-07:00ALL- In both 451 and the book Brave New World i am...ALL- In both 451 and the book Brave New World i am reading, i think that every society trys to reach social stability, and when that gets pushed to far it can never be a good thing! What do you guys think?maddisonmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00862713666232622303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-31193825838213248702007-11-05T13:10:00.005-07:002007-11-05T13:10:00.005-07:00alexf - I LOVE THAT SONG!!!alexf - I LOVE THAT SONG!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-66948968260572302102007-11-05T13:10:00.003-07:002007-11-05T13:10:00.003-07:00no one, but when you commit a crime do you stay wh...no one, but when you commit a crime do you stay where it happened, or do you flea to another place, i give you iraq and afghan, that is anoter reason why, i think so at leastTylerg!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04091312202700002471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-14337539395552045682007-11-05T13:10:00.002-07:002007-11-05T13:10:00.002-07:00jordan- how can we attack a countries people but n...jordan- how can we attack a countries people but not the country?Ryadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518319620437884931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-15483582585461610952007-11-05T13:10:00.001-07:002007-11-05T13:10:00.001-07:00mattf- If it was the same society, I don't think t...mattf- If it was the same society, I don't think that they look at the community as individuals all combined together to make a society. They are trying to make the community not think and all be like robots of each other, that seems to be the purpose for the society. To eliminate the individual. So, if it was the personal society that caused this attack, I dont think they are looking at the individual. But that is a good point. I'm not sure how to answer if it was another nation. Another nation probably did see the death of a few innocent people ok to save a society. I hope I am understanding what you asked correctly.melissazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16884058721407885822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-13011485990506403652007-11-05T13:10:00.000-07:002007-11-05T13:10:00.000-07:00jordanh - okay but isn't the US helping Iraq? Didn...jordanh - okay but isn't the US helping Iraq? Didn't we help them to set up their own government and move on?Laurenchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12054801168706576090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-90342487565234586362007-11-05T13:08:00.003-07:002007-11-05T13:08:00.003-07:00laurenc- i never said that i wnated the death of t...laurenc- i never said that i wnated the death of the 9/1 victims to be unpunished. the terrorists should be killed. but does iraq have to be. are they even affiliated thses days. they may have been in the past, but i don't think they are now.<BR/>tylerg- who said that the terrorists were affiliated with iraq?????jordanhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12300095942426752031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-51642010640495634652007-11-05T13:08:00.002-07:002007-11-05T13:08:00.002-07:00jordan- people can say all those things that "Two ...jordan- people can say all those things that "Two wrongs don't make a right" but if your angry and you think that what you believe in you don't stop to think that maybe you're not doing the wrong thing. We should but most people don't.Ryadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518319620437884931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-51171461003534028132007-11-05T13:08:00.001-07:002007-11-05T13:08:00.001-07:00laurenc and maddieh- That reminds me of a song... ...laurenc and maddieh- That reminds me of a song... it goes, "II'm not afraid to fall<BR/>it means i climbed up high<BR/>to fall is not to fail<BR/>you fail when you don't try<BR/>...if i get up i might fall back down again<BR/>so let's get up come on<BR/>If i get up i might fall back down again<BR/>yeah I might fall back down again<BR/>We'll just jump and see, even if it's the 20th time<BR/>we'll just jump and see if we can fly...alexfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00945327406690770767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-8560526413572739632007-11-05T13:08:00.000-07:002007-11-05T13:08:00.000-07:00katyj, ya but iraquis and afghanastanis are still ...katyj, ya but iraquis and afghanastanis are still not u.s. citizens, so can we trust that it wont happen again... NoTylerg!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04091312202700002471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-83579122242091476752007-11-05T13:07:00.001-07:002007-11-05T13:07:00.001-07:00Lauren- Thats a good point and it can really help ...Lauren- Thats a good point and it can really help give you hope for the society after the bomb and burning and all. And once again, I think that the pheonix is such an important symbol in this book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-35441696686995649202007-11-05T13:07:00.000-07:002007-11-05T13:07:00.000-07:00maddieh - I loved that quote too and totally agree...maddieh - I loved that quote too and totally agree with you! I think that is a message for us, that we have to always hope for better days and stand strong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-28357485818685425932007-11-05T13:06:00.004-07:002007-11-05T13:06:00.004-07:00Just a point about Jordans last point.The terroris...Just a point about Jordans last point.<BR/>The terrorists attacked bcuz they were mad at us cuz we werent muslim, and they were in Afganistan not Iraq. Iraq was later.katyjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11706659871479959968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-91958102867534943632007-11-05T13:06:00.003-07:002007-11-05T13:06:00.003-07:00melissaz- thanksryad- i agree the bomb starts the ...melissaz- thanks<BR/>ryad- i agree the bomb starts the war, but why do we have to bomb? why can't we just let people be? if somebody harms us, why do we have to do the same two wrongs dont' make a right.jordanhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12300095942426752031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-56301617472774969812007-11-05T13:06:00.002-07:002007-11-05T13:06:00.002-07:00jordanh - but is it okay to leave those people to ...jordanh - but is it okay to leave those people to be murdered in horrible ways? Do you know some of the things Saddam did to his OWN people?Laurenchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12054801168706576090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-49569660108926817972007-11-05T13:06:00.001-07:002007-11-05T13:06:00.001-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.mattfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06638278517765346046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-62217941173607976522007-11-05T13:06:00.000-07:002007-11-05T13:06:00.000-07:00alexf- That is so cool I never though of connectin...alexf- That is so cool I never though of connecting the two things. The phoenex effect allows for good things to rise out of the distruction of war.Ryadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518319620437884931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-40831008032897168732007-11-05T13:05:00.001-07:002007-11-05T13:05:00.001-07:00jordanh, tey are from iraq though so we dont know ...jordanh, tey are from iraq though so we dont know if there are more so thats one of the reasons we are at war, and they remind me kinda of the witches in macbethTylerg!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04091312202700002471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-89283570421784994292007-11-05T13:05:00.000-07:002007-11-05T13:05:00.000-07:00maddieh - I agree. We have to rise when we fall. I...maddieh - I agree. We have to rise when we fall. It reminds me of a quote from the movie memoirs of a geisha "Don't worry, we all fall sometimes. See this beautiful geisha over here? once when she was young, she tripped and fell off her wooden sandals"<BR/><BR/>It shows you that falling is inevitable but we can all get up and become greater then before the fallLaurenchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12054801168706576090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-41077359711729537802007-11-05T13:04:00.001-07:002007-11-05T13:04:00.001-07:00i understand that mattf, but if we start trusting ...i understand that mattf, but if we start trusting everyone that they are innocent, then we let our guard down and other nations hat hate us, will try and get us. I dont trust everyone and i bet you dont, so we have to in order to prtect ourselvesTylerg!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04091312202700002471noreply@blogger.com