tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post2256261582933554294..comments2023-11-05T01:15:43.435-07:00Comments on Smith 9H 07-08: LOF: The Beginninganneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00573450327737964454noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-30897451637624696332007-09-19T13:10:00.000-06:002007-09-19T13:10:00.000-06:00Lord of the flies is a very strange book. The char...Lord of the flies is a very strange book. The characters are especailly wierd; I mean who stands on thier head when they're happy? And Jack is OBSESSED with catching a stupid pig. WIERD, i tell you, very strange!!!!katyjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11706659871479959968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-55144745201314619282007-09-13T09:17:00.000-06:002007-09-13T09:17:00.000-06:00So far the book is slow... which is to be expected...So far the book is slow... which is to be expected. The climax normally comes toward the middle of the book. It's kinda slow but it should, I assume, get a lot juicier.JohnBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18442385850895954791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-67200165798367811452007-09-11T19:29:00.000-06:002007-09-11T19:29:00.000-06:00So far I am finding LOF to be a strange yet intrui...So far I am finding LOF to be a strange yet intruiging book. I don't think it is very logical and I doubt all the children would have just walked away from a plane crash like that just feeling fine and I don't think they will be able to survive on the island for long. However, i do realize thats its a fiction book and I am looking foward to seeing how the boys react to eachother as their isolation continuesLaurenchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12054801168706576090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-74763388393335647232007-09-09T12:38:00.000-06:002007-09-09T12:38:00.000-06:00I read this book last year but i think it's intere...I read this book last year but i think it's interesting this time through because i'm getting a lot out of it. I do have to agree it is a sort of weird/scary/odd book, but thats what i love about itNickBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05877490095746491544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-77118770214092808412007-09-09T10:31:00.000-06:002007-09-09T10:31:00.000-06:00LOF is a crazy book. I dont understand it that muc...LOF is a crazy book. I dont understand it that much. Willaim Goldings writing style is really different than what i am used to. It is almost as if he is trying to make it confusing. After discussing in class i now know what the scar and the creepers are. It is deffinatly something that is good to know when reading such a confusing book.markghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05345374754238198772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-40180721588171960102007-09-08T19:29:00.000-06:002007-09-08T19:29:00.000-06:00Sorry my post is so late, I didn't get a copy of t...Sorry my post is so late, I didn't get a copy of the book until thursday night and it has taken me awhile to read it. So far I don't really like LOF. The first chapter is really slow and I don't really like the author's style of writing. I figured out what the creepers were but I am still really confused about what the author's talking about when he says "the scar".meganuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11445318662961125308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-30817595542721830922007-09-06T23:00:00.000-06:002007-09-06T23:00:00.000-06:00So far i have enjoyed reading LOF. its a pretty in...So far i have enjoyed reading LOF. its a pretty interesting book and draws my attention. So far i was confused on what creepers and the scar is but its clear now. I think the part were the three boys hike to the top of the mountain shows how they are bonding and i think this group of boys will start out good then go crazy.nilechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05633304626429688732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-69823189160407214432007-09-06T20:54:00.000-06:002007-09-06T20:54:00.000-06:00Sorry my comment never posted.. so this is what i ...Sorry my comment never posted.. so this is what i said before...<BR/>I think that everyone believes it's confusing at the beginning because it starts after the plane has crashed. However, once Ralph brings order to the group, we can see who the Peyton Manning of this group will be...<BR/>In the third chapter when Jack and Ralph get in the argument, i still think that it'll lead to, like, bad blood, between those two. And when two leaders disagree, it can lead down the wrong path. I like what Jose said about the choir boys being like the SS, because even though they have a head honcho (Ralph) they still will take in direct orders from Jack. Kinda like how the SS didn't listen to Hitler a whole lot... thank God for that! Hehe but anyways ya... I still need to read a little bit more before i can decide if Jack and Ralph's bad relationship will take a turn for the worse... btw whos jim gates?aaronwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15749395009028843354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-88867346336212933952007-09-06T20:15:00.000-06:002007-09-06T20:15:00.000-06:00Like many other people have said, I think the begg...Like many other people have said, I think the beggining of this book is very confusing because it seems to jump right into the middle of the action. I also think the author should explain what things like "creepers" are rather than just using a strange word that nobody has ever heard of. So far it seems like a pretty weird book with the whole snake issue and everything, but I think it might end up a good book. I think Ralph is a good leader, but he and Jack seem to be a bit to high and mighty. I agree with everyone else who said things abbout Piggy, and I think they should trust him a bit more on things and here what he has to say, because so far he has had some pretty good ideas. I also wonder how they will keep track of all the children, and take care of eachother when I am guessing, none of them have had to fend for themselves in this way before. I also wonder why Jack has a knife. If this is a school trip I didn't think that carrying a knife would be allowed. I mean mention any school related event where knives (knives like Jack has, not those flimsy little plastic table knives that you can barely cut food with, let alone get food from the wild with) were allowed! Finally, I wonder how none of them are REALLY hungry. I find it hard to go a few hours without food just sitting in a classroom, let alone doing hard work, and they have gone multiple days without food! How does that work?beckyghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14490491370754377577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-10406045265579211682007-09-06T19:38:00.000-06:002007-09-06T19:38:00.000-06:00I read this book in 6th grade, like Rya. I thought...I read this book in 6th grade, like Rya. I thought it was weird then and I still do. The Beezlebub thing that Jose talked about was pretty interesting. It makes sense in the context of the book later on. It kinda ruins it when I already know the ending though...ParkerHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00768507795445854018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-49904278349509138652007-09-05T19:57:00.000-06:002007-09-05T19:57:00.000-06:00I think Hannahl's comment on a socio-political ref...I think Hannahl's comment on a socio-political reflection is very deep, and also very correct, because the author believed that humans were at their cores, evil. And in a "fighting the system" book, who's the bad guy? the system, of course. But it's the other way around: everyone else plays and he got stuck building a shelter. But the metaphor I saw in the book was that the choir boys were soldiers (their description reminded me of the German SS, but it's probably just me): the author was a soldier at one point in his life. I'm having a bit of trouble annotating, can anyone help me??josedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169364934182849611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-70978142723178434182007-09-05T17:10:00.000-06:002007-09-05T17:10:00.000-06:00In the beginning of the book, I noticed that the c...In the beginning of the book, I noticed that the characters aren't addressed by name until they've introduced themselves. Also, Jack seems controlling and he wants to kill the pig and prove himself way too much. I agree with ryanm that Piggy is ignored too much by the other boys and he could be a great force in keeping the kids together if they respected him more.Selenamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05856663154059119541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-78608492980429828672007-09-04T19:50:00.000-06:002007-09-04T19:50:00.000-06:00That's it. Now I'm going to have to read this one ...That's it. Now I'm going to have to read this one again. I read it when I was in high school - many years ago. Your discussion of the book so far has prompted me to put it on my "To Read" list. I remember bits and pieces of it, and your discussions have renewed my interest.<BR/><BR/>I'll be reading it along with you.Jim Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15596101773891188658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-85806554940098060902007-09-04T18:56:00.000-06:002007-09-04T18:56:00.000-06:00I find that I am able to make a lot of easy connec...I find that I am able to make a lot of easy connections between the book and television shows, movies, or books. Also, annotating this book definitelly gets me more engaged and helps me to think about the symobolism more frequently.kristinahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10837140646515837521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-36069777526724055912007-09-04T16:50:00.000-06:002007-09-04T16:50:00.000-06:00I think you could find alot of symbolism in this b...I think you could find alot of symbolism in this book with very little effort. It was really easy to make a connection right away to "Lost" (the tv show), because of the airplane crash on an island. It is a little odd how they survived and didn't find any adults, but they might find some later. The guy who I think is called Ralph seemed like he was trying really hard to act cool, and it seemed like he already knew were alot of things were; like the lagoon. I haven't gotten very far, so I might be missing something.mattwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08171037541515742511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-20172082477073668412007-09-04T08:35:00.000-06:002007-09-04T08:35:00.000-06:00This is my second time reading Lord of the Flies a...This is my second time reading Lord of the Flies and I as i am reading, it seems as if this is the first time that i am reading it. There is so much detail and information given in almost every paragraph that helps to foreshadow what is going to happen in the future. The most difficult part about reading it so far is that it is sometimes hard to understand who is talking or what the other means when he is describing a situation. I find myself going back and rereading quite a few sections just to get what the author is saying. But I really like this book because you have to really think the get it and there is so much meaning lying beneath the surface,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-91197099757332385142007-09-04T07:18:00.000-06:002007-09-04T07:18:00.000-06:00For me in the beginning of LOF it was very confusi...For me in the beginning of LOF it was very confusing because i didn't understand what was happening. The author of this book sometimes uses a wierd way with words. I noticed some other people wondered about the scar and the creepers, I wondered that too. I did figure that the scar is where the plane crashed in the forest. I agree with keke k on the piggy thing, I think it's so sad that everyone laughs at him all the time. Over all I agree with most other people about this book starting out really slow.kristenwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746086562489027044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-42378366483390183772007-09-04T06:36:00.000-06:002007-09-04T06:36:00.000-06:00I'm going to have to agree with most of the other ...I'm going to have to agree with most of the other people and say that this book is starting off pretty slow. And if no one has mentioned this yet, i think that the "scar" is the place where their plane crashed. I still don't understand what the creepers are though. It's surprising to see how fast they change from school boys to a tribe of boys just trying to survive. They are going to have to start listening to Piggy eventually, he's right but they are just ignoring him.mitchshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413306601231445919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-81916919635371688872007-09-03T23:10:00.000-06:002007-09-03T23:10:00.000-06:00I agree with a lot of people that the book is star...I agree with a lot of people that the book is starting off kind of slow. However, I think it is interesting to see the change in the boys mindsets as they stay on the island longer and longer. I think that as the book progresses the boys attitude towards each other will become more aggressive and they will go in into more of a survival mode.alexdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11165995540954635434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-2405585743800248352007-09-03T22:52:00.000-06:002007-09-03T22:52:00.000-06:00I'm really pulling for Piggy at this point. I thin...I'm really pulling for Piggy at this point. I think he's such a strong charecter and keeps getting bashed down by his peers.<BR/>My impressions at first changed alot over the fisrt few chapters of the book. For example, PIggy bugged me alot and I really liked Ralph. Now, Ralph is really on my nerves and Piggy's my favorite charecter. The turns of the story seem to be getting more intense and every time a turn finishes, my veiws of the boys on the island are flipped.<BR/>I'm anxious to learn if they get off the island safe or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-78855665716989326192007-09-03T22:03:00.000-06:002007-09-03T22:03:00.000-06:00I agree with everyone on the fact that the book st...I agree with everyone on the fact that the book starts out slow and is a bit confusing but I am enjoying the fact that the author uses vivid language because it makes me think a little more about what he is trying to describe and it gets me more interested in the novel. I also agree with catem on the fact that the boys are definitely starting to act savage like. But you have to concider the fact that they are stranded on an island and they have no influence from a person of authority that is going to make them act or speak properly. If I was an eight year old boy stranded on an island without parents able to run wild and free well guess what I am sure I would. I also think that josed had a good point of the fact that Jacnk might want to kill the pig to prove himself instead of just to get some meat, and thanks for the info on the meaning of LOF it is very helpful. I think that there is a connection or symbolism between Piggies glasses and the bad side of people, because every time something mean is said or done piggies glasses flash or fog up or they make some sort of statement about the glasses. I think that piggy has great potential as a leader he just needs to develope more confidence and leadership abilities because he is the only one there that seams to be concerned about geting rescued. I am not totally sure that I am anotating right but I think it is ok because I am making all of the recomended connections but I just don't sound as suffisticated as the examples.kristinahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10837140646515837521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-37420732138404192872007-09-03T21:40:00.000-06:002007-09-03T21:40:00.000-06:00What do you all think about annotating? How much d...What do you all think about annotating? How much do you all annotate? Do you annotate while read or after you read? What do you think works best!?!?maddisonmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00862713666232622303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-11526174183426201022007-09-03T20:56:00.000-06:002007-09-03T20:56:00.000-06:00I can really relate to everyone who said that this...I can really relate to everyone who said that this book started out slow, I was also a little confused about the new characters. I also can relate to how so many other T.V. shows do these surviving on your own kind of thing. Next, i find it very strange that all the adults die, and the only people that survive are english school boys, but maybe they will come across some other people later in the book.mitchl.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13126168148470921152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-33170124775996084482007-09-03T20:18:00.000-06:002007-09-03T20:18:00.000-06:00I agree with everyone who said that LOF starts off...I agree with everyone who said that LOF starts off slowly but it picks up in the third chapter. All of the new information and charaters made it a little hard to completely understand the story line. It is pretty obvious that it is a Survivor- like plot but I find it a little far- fetched that no adults survived the crash and there are no girls with them and all of the other adults who knew about the flight died in the dropping of an atom bomb. O yeah, was the atom bomb a reference to WW2 or is it fictional? I also have the same question as some other people, what are creepers?<BR/><BR/>It did take me a while to read because I had to keep going back and looking up the names of the characters. But I think the book will pick up later and hopefully some more foreshadowing will become apparent.Alyssa S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17614265323422087457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4053873056775658406.post-14113745254234885602007-09-03T20:11:00.000-06:002007-09-03T20:11:00.000-06:00Lord of the Flies is interesting, as in the fact t...Lord of the Flies is interesting, as in the fact that it holds your attention but there are some unasnwered questions in the book. I have some idea of what is going on but a lot of the time some of the parts confuse me. For example, there are weird transitions in between the chapters. It skips between every couple of day or something of the sort. It does not follow up directly where the other chapter ended. I am also very confused with the whole "snake" thing that has been going on. I don't exactly get what the whole point of it is. First, the little boy brings it up and says that it comes and gest them while they sleep and then all the little boys start screaming that the snakes are coming when the fire is burning. I don't exactly get it. I also don't get what the scar is. Can someone maybe help me out a little?<BR/><BR/>As for answering others questions... amandah, the creepers are huge vines that grow throughout the forest and are pretty much everywhere. <BR/><BR/>One last thing. I definately agree with alexf answer about how the book does not make any sense to her. I am definately on the same page. It is confusing how the book starts right in the middle, after the crash has taken place. There is not much background information on what is going on. At this point I don't like or dislike the book, even though it is extreemly confusing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12756426265527503133noreply@blogger.com